Go ahead and share that one.
“Do you think that’s what I actually said?”
No, but u implied it vis-a-vis your sarcasm. Here’s how that worked. Your sarcasm was such as it was becuz u know that deporting whole races and ethnicities out of a particular country is impossible. In doing so, you’re indirectly suggesting that colonialism and such should be accepted as a fact of history that can’t be changed or prevented. And in doing that, you’re inadvertently saying it should be okay that Hamas is tryna kick the jews outta their hood… becuz that’s what human’s moving around the planet have always done.
If you’re not saying that, u wouldn’t be able to say it’s okay for the jews to be moved into Palestine becuz that’s precisely how they got there. Muscled their way in.
See how that works? I’d explain more of your loopy thinking to u if i thought it would make any difference.
My sarcasm was not saying that (for example) what the settlers, & those who moved west, et cetera, did to the indigenous folk was OK. For example, I think the trail of tears is a horrendous blight on American history. How does that even need to be said?
My sarcasm was saying there are many different reasons why everyone is (moving to) where they are at/going. I’m not saying the Jews were wrong or right in every little thing they did. I also said previously that Christians (or those who claim to be Christians) have done a lot of evil things.
There is zero reason why we can’t start fresh and treat self as other where we are at.
There is every reason why Hamas (Iran) needs to cease-and-desist, or end.
I punt back to everything I have previously posted.
This is your problem. You lack completely the empathy to realise why that also has to be said. I showed earlier on that Palestinians were victims of the colonial mindset, and they even welcomed the refugees that wandered through the worlds oceans on that boat, but found themselves rewarded by having their property taken off them. This has proceded since 1948 and experts say that there was never any doubt that it was their intentions.
Imagine living in an open air prison and suddenly having the possibility of breaking out. The violence was first of all aimed at the military and the civilians were seen as potential hostages to press the release of Palestinian hostages. It is now known that due to the late reaction of the IDF, the Hannibal Directive tried to prevent the hostages being taken, even if it meant killing them. The horrific tales told by the government have been found to be an exaggeration of what happened.
There is no doubt that violence is a crime against humanity, but turning the roles around and pretending that Palestinian violence was unprovoked, is just simply a lie that perpetuates Israel’s lies and ethnic cleansing, ignoring the obvious genocide.
There are actual videos of what happened on October 7. You can’t suppress that. This reminds me of a really good quote.
And this:
Oh yes, the videos of the Apache helicopter shooting up fleeing people, or the IDF videos of snipers killing women, children, and the disabled, as well as destroying schools and hospitals, targetting hospital staff, or the videos of tanks blasting houses on suspicion that there may be a terrorist in there.
Or do you mean the witnesses from the music event that have come forward to say they were targeted by the IDF? Or do you mean the civilians and journalists who were shot although they spoke Hebrew?
Your ignorance is painful to watch!
What I recall was that the helicopter was protecting aid that people were rushing at rather than distributing calmly. The aid was being basically sabotaged. That’s why people weren’t getting aid. Vehicles were being ambushed when it wasn’t a drop. Distribution areas were not being respected as non-combat zones.
As for the rest of what you said, I haven’t seen the evidence. It’s easy to make claims without evidence. It’s also easy to make up a narrative about what is claimed to be evidence.
We’ve been here before. Before the United States officially joined World War II in December 1941, reports of the mass persecution and extermination of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe were circulating but were met with significant scepticism and disbelief in many quarters.
Many people outside of Germany found it hard to believe that such widespread, systematic genocide could be taking place. The sheer scale and industrial nature of the Holocaust were unprecedented, and it seemed almost unimaginable to many. Although there were previous pogroms and acts of anti-Jewish violence in Europe, the idea of an orchestrated effort to exterminate millions of people was beyond the scope of what many could conceive.
Antisemitism was not confined to Nazi Germany. In many countries, including the United States and Britain, there was widespread antisemitism, which may have led some to downplay or dismiss reports of Jewish persecution. Certain segments of the public and political classes might have been indifferent or even sympathetic to Nazi antisemitic ideologies, making it harder for these stories to gain traction or elicit concern.
For the Allied governments, there were also pragmatic reasons for downplaying early reports of the Holocaust. They were focused on the military aspects of the war and were concerned about maintaining support for their broader strategic goals. Some feared that emphasising Jewish suffering might complicate the war effort or alienate key allies. For example, in the U.S., there was a reluctance to shift public focus from the fight against Nazi Germany to a more specific narrative of saving European Jews.
Despite the scepticism, there were early reports about the Nazi regime’s treatment of Jews. As early as 1939, after the start of World War II, news reports mentioned the persecution and internment of Jews.
In 1941 and 1942, the Polish government-in-exile and resistance groups began to report on the mass executions and deportations, especially from Eastern Europe. The Riegner Telegram (August 1942), sent by Gerhart Riegner of the World Jewish Congress, explicitly informed the Allies of Nazi plans to exterminate Jews. Still, this report was met with scepticism by U.S. and British officials. Underground newspapers and radio broadcasts from occupied Europe also disseminated information about the atrocities, but much of it was either disregarded or disbelieved.
So, this time, it is the Palestinians and the Jews are the perpetrators. But the reaction is strangely the same.
The false narrative spread about the Jews by Hitler is the “here” we’ve been before.
Nobody is so blind as the one who will not see.
The parallels with the “allied” or Western reaction to genocide is striking. It is almost the same today regarding Palestinians as it was then regarding Jews.
Hopefully Hamas/Iran has a Schindler.
…or maybe the regime restructurers could just let things be the way they were before and any misled Palestinians could get tired of Hamas/Iran & realize Israel is FOR Palestinians. To repeat. Arabs and Jews coexisted peacefully all over Israel. See last posts.
That’s like saying blacks were living peacefully in South Africa during apartheid.
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Israel is not the one digging tunnels under UN schools & hospitals & attacking on October 7. And (remaining optimistic) neither are the Palestinians.
Maybe instead of saying Hamas/Iran we should say the global restructurers who want to supplant the current way things are organized locally? Just tying up loose ends with Ukraine, Israel, & Taiwan. Oh. & maybe Korea? Where else?
Baby organs trade. Gain of function research. Collusion. Landmines in the archipelago.
Remember when we supplanted Saddam Hussein and up crept ISIS who took out many Christians?
I remember Obama doing nothing until the slaughter was basically over, we were protesting on street corners, and then he looked like he did something to stop it.
They want what’s coming. How they left Afghanistan was proof of concept.
Your worldview is basically an elaboration of the apocalyptic “Left Behind” series of novels and books. The widespread popularity of that franchise affected the evangelical mindset deeply. Unfortunately it spawned an ever growing elaboration of conspiracy theories, mistrust and antiestablishment paranoia. It seems that under the spell of such a vision, you can repel any fact that doesn’t fit in it by means of sheer obstinance.
It seems this thread, like so many others on ILP, becomes a microcosm of the mindless conflict that drives wars. Differing points of view become positions on the battle front. Thoughts are assault weapons. Words are bullets.
The Christian Zionist is open only to propositions that come from within the movement itself. So, if it is to change, that’s where the change must come from. They have rejected Jesus the peacemaker for Jesus the badass. That’s the spirit of this age not the Eternal One.
I am not pre-trib. Just to clarify.
I also have repeatedly said that we could be like Nineveh and pull our heads out of our butts instead.
I am skeptical that we will.
I also feel very conflicted … I don’t want the current trajectory to maintain its course unchecked.
By the way you should check out the secular doomsday clock and stop looking at me.
The Christian dominionists are pre-trib. There is a heavy dose of that in Project 2025. Glad to hear you’re conflicted like that. It shows there’s hope for change in this lifetime. Lightning can strike twice.
I meant to say post trib. I wish corrections were possible on this thread.
I don’t know what Christian dominionism is or project 25, although I have heard it like a buzzword. Nor am I interested.
I am able to edit my posts, but I am not able to add the edits as replies if I just posted. Which is probably how every thread should be.
Also I’m pretty sure the MythBusters busted the myth about lightning not striking twice.
Incuriosity is hardly a virtue when it comes to understanding the world. Your concrete interpretation of the lightning striking twice metaphor, doesn’t speak well of your abstract ability. Or did you purposely misunderstand my meaning? If you are closed book, perhaps that’s why others on this website find communication with you frustrating wouldn’t you think?
A HORRIFIC MASSACRE :the Israeli army struck a 20-TENT compound housing about 115 displaced civilians “families” southern Gaza Strip , wiping out the entire area. Dozens of victims have been recovered, while many remain buried under the rubble, and the search for the missing continues