You want me to ask the McGrews if they agree/disagree with me on what I came here to say, which you latched onto & swiftly dove headfirst into a rabbit hole like so many confused ostriches? I referred you to them about something specific. I don’t agree with them (anyone) about everything.
You’re confused. Instead of lashing out at others, you might acknowledge that to yourself. Imagining violence won’t help. The McGrews won’t either. The Kingdom of God is within you. Remember?
Not the gnostic version of that, please.
Subjectivity is truth. I point you to yourself and you want to run away.
You blame me for Iran invading Israel?
Weird.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make her drink.
Are you sure she’s not an elephant or a ginormous motorcycle?
She’s an ILP legend in her own mind!
Not intentional motive to comment something here, honest.
But then, all needs to be this is simply This:
“If I really know what is suspected by the Other(s) then it could possibly get me infinitely closer what boils down to way more than any coincidence heard of
Then the paradox, weather that of the beautiful ly minded sleeping beauty or anything not inconceivable may point to the direction of what really is happening , artificially reassembled or taking it for the original
But think of the Herculean effort of getting there in time and the related stress of getting there.
So never mind, back to chess, miracles not withstanding
Always say yes to chess.
Something has come up in view of changing worldwide opinions about what is going on in Gaza, that’s worthwhile on the subject, now that I unintentionally blundered into it:
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What atrocity would Israel have to commit for our leaders to break their silence?
To avenge 7 October, crimes of all kinds are condoned. But politicians should take note: the British public disagrees
12:38 EDT Thursday, 03 October 2024
Consider these two parallel universes. One is Gaza, the scene of some of the worst atrocities committed in the 21st century, as Israel’s genocidal rampage offers a new reminder of our species’ capacity for depravity. According to research by Oxfam, more women and children have been killed by the Israeli military in the last year “than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades”.
What makes this all the more disturbing is that the figures are conservative: the 11,355 children and 6,297 women listed as violently killed are only those who have been officially identified. Many of the dead have not been recorded in this way, not least the thousands buried under rubble, listed as missing, or incinerated by Israeli missiles, leaving not a trace. Israel’s destruction of Gaza’s hospitals, too, has laid waste to the system of reporting fatalities. Those caveats notwithstanding, in no 12-month period were so many women and children butchered in the killing fields of Iraq and Syria, despite those populations being much greater than Gaza’s.
Then there is a fresh revelation about Israel’s deliberate attempt to starve Gaza’s population. Last week the US investigative outlet ProPublica reported that the US Agency for International Deveopment (USAid) – a government department – had delivered a detailed assessment to the secretary of state, Antony Blinken, concluding that Israel was intentionally blocking the deliveries of food and medicine to Gaza. The agency described Israel “killing aid workers, razing agricultural structures, bombing ambulances and hospitals, sitting on supply depots and routinely turning away trucks full of food and medicine”.
In a particularly egregious example, food was stockpiled less than 30 miles across the border at an Israeli port, including sufficient flour to feed most Gazans for five months; it was deliberately withheld. The state department’s refugee agency also concluded Israel was deliberately blocking aid, and recommended the use of US legislation that mandates the freezing of weapons shipments to states blocking US-backed aid. But Blinken rejected these assessments, and the US government has just approved another military aid package, worth $8.7bn, to a state its own agencies have concluded is deliberately starving the population of Gaza.
Now transport yourself to another universe: that of the British political elite. Two Tory leadership candidates have proposed making loyalty to Israel a central feature of Britishness. The frontrunner, Robert Jenrick, declares the Star of David should be displayed at every point of entry to Britain to show “we stand with Israel”. Kemi Badenoch declares she is struck “by the number of recent immigrants to the UK who hate Israel”, adding: “That sentiment has no place here.” Meanwhile, after Iran’s ballistic missile attack – with no reported Israeli casualties – the UK’s prime minister, Keir Starmer, passionately declares, “We stand with Israel”, in an official Downing Street address. Here is a man who has not mustered the tiniest fraction of that emotion for the tens of thousands of Arabs slaughtered by Israel, from Palestine to Lebanon. What word is there for that disparity in response, other than racism?
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Fortunately, these are not the universes inhabited by the British public. Two thirds of voters now have an unfavourable view of Israel, compared with 17% opting for favourable: a record low. Seven in 10 believe it likely that Israel has committed war crimes (just 8% dissent), while 54% believe an arrest warrant should be issued for Benjamin Netanyahu for war crimes and crimes against humanity (with 15% dissenting).
But this devotion to Israel among our rulers has survived both unspeakable atrocities and ever more repulsed public opinion. In a rational world, advocating a heartfelt alliance with a state engaged in such murderous mayhem would leave you driven from public life in disgrace; here it is the mainstream, respectable position, with those dissenting demonised as hateful extremists.
What exactly is Israel supposed to do to shake this? It has conducted the worst massacre of children in our time, from reported sniper shots to the heads of infants to butchering terrified families in their cars, and now it is clear it deliberately starved an entire population. It stands accused of raping male and female detainees alike, while Save the Children condemns Israeli soldiers for sexually abusing Palestinian children in prisons. It has killed at least 885 healthcare workers, and left women having caesarians and children having amputations without anaesthetics. Its soldiers push Palestinian bodies from roofs in scenes reminiscent of Islamic State. Meanwhile, Israeli ministers, politicians, army officers, soldiers and journalists compete over bloodcurdling murderous and genocidal rhetoric.
If a state hostile to the west was guilty of atrocities this obscene, there would be widespread consensus that it was one of the great crimes of our age. But, as the Palestinian lawyer Diana Buttu puts it, “The world tells us that nothing can justify October 7, and yet everything Israel has done can be justified by October 7.” It is easy to focus on the most rabid cheerleaders of Israel’s actions, but there are also many, from commentators to public figures, who have remained silent or offered cursory hand-wringing, despite their country being complicit in this endless bloodbath, not least with continued arms sales. The horrors of our past were always made possible by the silent.
Seriously, what does it take? What atrocity could Israel commit before it becomes a matter of public disgrace to champion our alliance? Does a threshold even exist? And what terrible harvest will the west reap for so unapologetically telling the world that it attaches so little value to these Arab lives snuffed out of existence?
Owen Jones is a Guardian columnist
Important questions to ponder while the future prepares her answer.
Let the accusations fly. The world saw what happened on October 7.
The world knows that those who pretended to give aid allowed tunnels under their structures.
The world knows that you don’t supply the enemy with what they need to succeed in defeating you.
The world knows that the enemy gaslights you and the media cannot be trusted to report unspun facts.
If the world still wants to be against Israel, then we should not be mystified at how the Holocaust was able to happen.
That is why some say we are in it and not of it.
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De-escalation, calls for a ceasefire, and a diplomatic solution to prevent wider regional escalation and further loss of life… which sounds good to me and probably to the world at large.
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But… not so good.
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All the wars and upheavals, based, in zones where the highest amounts of oil are located. Poor Venezuela… literally - so is this what it’s really all about?
Vietnam: 4.4b
India: 4.6b
Sudan: 5.1b
Oman 5.3b
México 5.7b
Azerbaijan 7.2b
Angola 7.7b
Norway 8.1b
Ecuador 8.2b
Guyana 10.8b
Algeria 12b
Brazil 13b
Qatar 25b
China 26b
Kazakhstan 30b
Nigeria 36b
United States 37b
Libya 38b
Russia 80b
UAE 97b
Kuwait 101b
Somalia 111b
Iraq 145b
Canada 170b
Iran 208b
Saudi Arabia 258b
Venezuela 303b
End fossil fuels / end all wars? but what about the precious metals and semi-precious gemstones that would still be mined.
Can an army be “holy” when it is often obliged to do terrible things, such as killing the innocent with the guilty?
This excuses no war crimes, no indescriminate bombing, no 2000lb bomb in a housing block to kill one person, no raping of prisoners, no grabbing 7 year-old girls from houses when raiding, no dispossession of indigenous people of their documented inheritance … on so the list goes on.
And now in Lebanon as in Gaza, it’s the civilians caught in a war that they didn’t start and don’t want and can’t stop that suffer the most.
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Her adversary?