That is not a counter argument. At this point I must disengage from the thread.
Yes you must. Because all your arguments perfectly fit the Christian Zionist stereotype. The Christian Zionist is under the spell of a powerful horrific vision. Fear is the motivator. Anyone who criticizes the vision is considered demonic. So it’s not like you can discuss it dispassionately or objectively.
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Campus Protests Over Gaza Intensify Amid Pushback by Universities and Police
There were more than 120 new arrests as universities moved to prevent pro-Palestinian encampments from taking hold as they have at Columbia University.
This reminds me of the student protests of the Viet Nam war in the 1960s. This is what moral outrage looks like. If they can’t protest on college campuses, where?
RAFAH, Gaza Strip — Nimer Saddy al-Nimer is 12. His first name means “Tiger” in Arabic. Wavy locks of sandy brown hair rest just above his large brown eyes. He’s skinny and tall for his age. He calls himself a “soccer addict,” he’s a fan of FC Barcelona, and Lionel Messi is his hero. He’d pretend to be the Argentine superstar when he played pickup games with his friends in the alleys behind the mosque near his home in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood of Gaza City.
But that was before the war.
Nimer is the oldest child in his family and before the war he was responsible for helping feed them," says his grandmother, Salwa Yusuf Mahmoud Mashaa. “He was always the first in his family to wake up to collect aluminum and copper in the streets before going to school so that his parents could sell the scrap metal for food.”
After the war started, food was harder to come by for Nimer’s family. To escape raids by Israeli soldiers, they moved to a nearby school-turned-shelter only to return home after the school was bombed in an Israeli airstrike. Through it all, Nimer was in charge of finding food.
“I’d wake up early and check with my friend, God bless him, who sometimes had money he’d give me and I’d buy food,” Nimer says. “After a while, there was no food. A kilo of flour cost 150 shekels [about $50]. We couldn’t afford that, so we had to start picking weeds from the ground.”
Nimer says he and his brother gathered mallow, a medicinal plant, and he and his family mixed that with animal feed for nourishment. After weeks of this diet, they were starving. And that’s why, on April 1 when they saw parachutes with boxes of food floating down to earth miles away in the distance, he, his father, and a few neighbors started running toward them. On the way, Nimer recalls that they stole a donkey cart to pass dozens of other people running to get to the boxes first.
But there was a problem: They were headed to Beit Hanoun, a town on the border with Israel and a stronghold of Israel’s military. When they reached the boxes, though, Nimer says hunger overcame fear. He says about 200 mostly men and boys ripped the boxes open.
“There were so many people fighting for food,” remembers Nimer. “It felt like all of northern Gaza was on top of the boxes. I took a bag of flour, a box of dates, a can of meat, a can of chickpeas and a pack of biscuits.”
Amid the chaos, Nimer remembers hearing the familiar high-pitched whir of an armed drone, then the rumble of a tank. Behind that, he saw Israeli soldiers pointing guns at them.
Then the shooting began.
“They shot into the crowd, and I felt burns in my stomach and my back. I hid behind the donkey and I looked down at my stomach and saw the bullet had ripped my skin open and there was smoke coming out of it,” says Nimer. “I stuck my hand inside the opening. And then I got shot in my thigh and I felt an electric shock go through my body. I screamed. I stayed behind that donkey until the shooting stopped.”
Nimer and his father got separated during the incident. And he says the donkey was shot more than a dozen times and collapsed, dead.
The last thing Nimer remembers from that day, he says, is an Israeli soldier ordering him to get up. When he couldn’t, he says the soldier kicked him in the head until he passed out.
He woke up in an Israeli military vehicle that took him to Soroka hospital in the southern Israeli city of Be’er Sheva.
For the next 10 days, Nimer’s grandmother says his parents feared the worst. “His mother wouldn’t stop crying until the next day when they found his clothes at the site of the shooting,” she says. “They were stained with blood. They spent the next several days searching for him and they finally received a call from doctors telling them their son was in a hospital in Israel.”
In his tent in Rafah, Nimer’s pain has subsided for the moment and he slowly munches on an apple — the first good food he’s had in weeks, he says. He stares through a hole cut out of his tent to the blue sky above. He says he still gets headaches from being kicked by that soldier. Medical records reviewed by NPR from Nimer’s one-week stay at the Israeli hospital show Nimer has a fractured femur, fractured vertebrae, loss of motor function in his right foot and swelling along his sciatic nerve. The report says there are multiple foreign objects — shrapnel — in his abdomen and backside, and that after two surgeries, the entry and exit wounds of five gunshots to his stomach, thigh, back, foot and hand have been sutured.
Nimer says after his initial surgery, he was given the anesthetic ketamine, he slept and later woke up in a bed inside a new room with an iron door that had bars on it and could only be opened from the outside. Three other men were there with him — they were blindfolded and handcuffed to the floor. He realized this was a prison.
“Sometimes, the guards came into the room with dogs,” Nimer remembers. “They scared me. They barked at and bit the three men on the floor, but they didn’t do anything to me.” He remembers guards wearing olive-colored uniforms entering the room three times a day to give him food. He says he was there for four days.
NPR reached out to Israel’s military to confirm these details. In a statement, the military said: “After an examination, it appears that Nimer Saddy al-Nimer was never arrested, imprisoned, or held in any military prison system.”
On April 15, medical records provided to NPR show that Nimer was brought back to Soroka hospital to remove the sutures and dressings. An ambulance then took him to the Kerem Shalom border crossing in southern Gaza, where he was transported to a Palestinian hospital in Rafah.
The pain has returned, and Nimer squirms in his bed. His hair is soaked in sweat. He’s run a high fever since he arrived here more than a week ago. His doctors in Gaza told Nimer’s grandmother that his condition is serious and beyond their expertise to treat. They gave him antiseizure medication to control the uncontrollable fits he has, but his uncle and grandmother say it’s clear Nimer needs more medical attention. They worry about the shrapnel left inside his body being dangerously close to his vital organs.
When the pain subsides, Nimer says he’d like to leave this place to find better medical care. “I lost my school, my friends, the whole world to me,” he says from his bed. “I miss my mom and my brothers and sisters, and I worry about them because I’m not there to help gather food for them. My uncle helps me go to the bathroom and my granny feeds me, and if I want to get better, I need to leave this place.”
But Nimer’s biggest wish, he says, is for this war to end and for his injuries to be healed. He says he just wants to play soccer again with his friends.
Nimer was well taken care of by the Israelis despite Hamas starting this war that Israel will end.
There are people who understand the reality of zionism and its terrible effects on history and our world today, and then there are the rest (most people) who have no clue about any of this. Trying to educate normies who live in their own mental darkness and roll around in the mud of cognitive dissonance is most likely going to be fruitless, but I give credit to anyone who still has the will to try.
How can you react to such a story, of which there are many, with such words? He was shot, kicked in the head when he couldn’t stand up, experienced harrowing days and brought back still with shrapnel in his body. He wasn’t cared for, at best he was kept alive. Your relationship with the truth isn’t healthy at all. You suppress any compassion and ignore the circumstances. You are heartless where your ideology takes over.
Welcome to zionism. And that’s the optimistic view, giving credit that they do indeed have a heart in other non-ideological contexts. Which, if I am being fair, some of them do. But not all.
You can’t always remove shrapnel — like when it is dangerously close to vital organs, as mentioned in the article… nurse much?
And there is no evidence that an Israeli soldier kicked him in the head when he couldn’t stand… And only then went to the trouble of making sure all of his wounds from mob-rushing the aid were tended to. What is more likely?
You are right. He would be dead if the Israelis had not cared for him.
He would be playing football if the IDF hadn’t shot him.
I have experienced what soldiers can do if not controlled, and these people post videos of them taking potshots at children playing.
Correct. IDF is evil incarnate. Which is why they need to shut down cell towers before they move into an area, to try and prevent people from posting their atrocities.
“People always say what Germany did to the Jews. No one ever asks what the Jews did to Germany.”
–Europa, The Last Battle Documentary
IDF was stopping a mob rush on aid. Aid meant for helping people. They provided medical treatment for him.
The reason people are starving is because Hamas attacked on October 7 and are going to end.
The UN had tunnels under their buildings. The same people/proxies (Hamas) are in charge of distributing aid.
Israel is a scapegoat in the headlines. This ain’t Kansas anymore. This is the Twilight Zone.
Stop the violence and free Palestine!
…from Hamas!
Naw bruh i think israel paid the sheiks in Qatar to finance and stage a hamas attack and take hostages so isreal could have a pretext to invade and get a’hold’uh all that land. It’s an Israeli false flag operation maybe.
Please tell me that is satire.