Having Friends will soon be illegal in England

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foxnews.com/world/2013/03/20 … =obnetwork

Okay… the UK tends to be 70-80 years ahead of the US in terms of indoctrination and brainwashing… and the people are so pathetic they just repeat it saying it’s liberal, and therefor is right… now they are trying to punish kids for having friends.

Is there like, a plug underneath England you can pull and just let the wretched people sink? They are doing some deeply disturbing and silly shit to themselves these days. Are they going to outlaw natural births and make everyone be born in a Pod, or some other silly ass shit like that?

The UK, humanities last great beacon of hope. :open_mouth:

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That is complete bollocks,. The UK is ahead of the US in freethinking and democracy. Most of our brainwashing comes right from the ad masters of the USA.

Your statement is simply a knee-jerk ignorant racist bit of prejudice. You are a FOX News sucker.
How often do you read that garbage?
No one is BANNING anything!
But the advice to have more than one friend is a bloody good one that I have suggested to kids all the while as a teacher.
I’ve seen girls between 8 and 12 bring a whole class down due to petty rivalries due to best friend break-ups. If you had ever taught in Primary you would immediately know what I mean.

But if you had been a pupil of mine, I’d have told you not to believe everything you read in Newspapers, especially the tabloid Rupert Murdoch variety - Shame on you and the horse you rode in on.

You are a naughty boy. Go to the bottom of the class

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The best way of encouraging children to do something is to tell them they can’t.

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Hysterically bad policy. I mean seriously confused ‘logic’. Take away a good thing since then you can’t lose it and feel bad. By this logic they should keep children from having pets, since they will die, having parents, since they will die, having siblings -they might die, they might hit puberty and no longer think their little sister is fun to hang around with, who knows?. Hell, keep everything that children like away from children. What if they have moments when their toys don’t work, favorite sweater is now too small…and so on.

as far as Hobbes point, it seems like they are actually doing this in some schools…

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Hobbes- I read several news agencies, if you look over my posts on this site, I’ve quoted Foxnews, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, IndiaToday, New York Times, the Russian Pravda, as well as China’s People’s Daily. That’s this site alone, it’s not a site known for it’s international discussion of news. I reserve the right to post a link to any major news agency on this planet, thank you very much. One of my former students runs a occupy wallstreet outfit (largely because he’s really really old and has 50 times the experience of everyone else combined)

I never said anything racist here… infact, I’m on the record promoting mix-race marriages several times here on this site.

And technically, the UK is legally behind the US, we have the freer intellectual laws for the expressed purpose of more communication. Intelligent is of course debatable.

Please don’t ban him Pav, let him be for the time being. He’s only proving my point about the brainwashing- his tirade underlines the knee-jerk reaction they’ve been conditioned to have- he’s not the first to think all that glitters is gold, and I’ve grown accustomed and accept this brainwashed reaction- it’s why I pull that string in the first place (a string based very much on fact, as this article shows- it’s pure brainwashing in getting kids to not have strong friendships). I lived in San Francisco in the past, I’ve seen it worst than what he’s giving. It’s a insult to me, and I can handle it- it’s easier to do so given it’s mostly baseless on his end.

Just know Hobbes some people on this forum are not as liberal as I am in terms of responses, and Pav is known to ban people. I’m giving the warning in case it’s someone else… so Pav doesn’t have to, cause I don’t want you to get banned.

Sit down and debate me… how is it you came to your belief that people who read FoxNews are inherently Racist, and that you are not a racist in turn. Are you calling me one because my Avatar is white? I may be willing to accept certain titles like asshole, or chauvinist, or even loser… but I’m not a racist. I grew up in mixed neighborhoods, a black steel worker lived in my house as a boarder for years growing up, my godfather was a Mexican. If I quote a article from anarchistnews.org it doesn’t make me a anarchist, if I quote from the nazis party of the US it doesn’t make me a Nazis- though I can understand someone making this assumption in either case. However, your assumption of Racism inherent just for linking to a newsite is deeply disturbing, especially as I never made a racist comment here. I acknowledge race in other threads, and the nuances culturally, and have my own take about racist perspectives… but at no point have I ever come out against a race- by every point has always been promoting communication and non-friction, and unity when it’s possible (some groups it’s too difficult, there are parts of the US where whites are discriminated against, such as the east bay of SF in the oakland area, or in Hawaii by the Asian community, and vice versa for various ethnic groups here and there… I’m not going to pretend like I don’t know this, and will note it and discuss it).

Right now… the only evidence of racism here is you. Let’s sit down and discuss you racist, brainwashed point of views. Why do you think of such things? I assume it’s extreme gullibility, but perhaps I might be wrong. Maybe you were strolling through the Fownews network one day, and caught everyone wearing KKK Hoodies, and then looked through the Camera, and saw in the little lens every white person in the US similarly dressed up in a KKK outfit, having their little rallies? Because then, and only then, could I accept your point of view as warranted.

Unfortunately, that is a near impossibility (well, honestly a absolute one)… so I expect a explanation. You obviously went though a system of brainwashing, that works to get you to equate a american news organization as automatically racist… and it works as well in gaining a reaction out of you as a doctor tapping you knee to get a kick from you. How did this come to occur? How is it that you can possibly think your free minded or intelligent if your having this reaction on the mere basis of a link.

If you didn’t notice, I was spinning 1984- a English novel here… in it, they do much the same- they brainwash people to break down close, personal attachments.

The actions of school systems punishing people on a ideological basis for natural behavior- friendship… is brainwashing people, is likely linked to your reaction as well. How about you lay back on the couch and let’s look back to the origins of your thinking process. Who told you they were racist, and who told you people who read it are racist as well? We will get to the root of your problem here soon enough, if your sincere. Tell Papa Smurf.

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I think this will be very detrimental in the UK, as it’s going to selectively discriminate against introverted children- it’s the Introverts that built the nation of shop keepers in the first place- they tend to score higher on intelligence tests. Take your INTJs for example… they statistically have the highest IQ, but are socially aloof, keeping only a few close friends. They are the ones that keep a technological civilization fresh… I have no idea what England hopes to get long term out of this… it’s not like there is much demand for English Farm Products export wise- the textile mills are closed, and the third world is diversifying in terms of basic industry… and you can only have so many guys playing on a soccer team like Manchester United… so systematically discouraging people from being introverts to something more extroverted is likely going to be a bad idea, as most people are not going to make a living in the long term working in a factory making basic machine tools, or being farmers.

If England was smart, they would be doing what the Japanese did- the exact opposite, even in a decades old recession, they are still doing better than England. They are not known for their lovey dovey attitude, they are highly introverted, and have close friendships.

I suppose this is why they had to decrease the oxygen to people in 1984… the brainwashing isn’t going to be good enough for many natural introverts. I remember in kindergarten I missed a day of school, and returned, and everyone was singing this song in music class where they were required to hug one another and snuggle their noses… I reacted badly… was like I was in a cult- all because I missed a day of school and saw the end result. One day… the crucial day, and it gave me the ability to see the end result of such things.

When I was in the Army, we had the option of going on leave during Christmas, or taking a free college class if we stayed behind- I took this communication class, and we had to import a professor from Washington State… she was this hard core astrologist, and made everyone do Hatha Yoga… and I was like WTF but looked around and everyone else just went into it… and was just stunned. The infantry is known for it’s extroverts, not it’s introverts, so it’s no surprise. But none the less… I’m just weary of this sort of stuff. It’s brainwashing (the kids in kindergarten to a very minor degree, it fits the average mentality of that age group, but none the less it’s there). In England, this shows it’s getting much, much, much worst. This is now a policy in many regions.

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He’s right by the way, Hobbes,
saying he was racist was strange. Can you quote what part of the OP indicates he is racist?

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Use your imagination, set aside your prejudice for one second. It’s not going to have anything but a positive effect.
Kids will do as they please, what this will do is give 10yo girls a get out clause so they don’t loose face when “best friend” stabs them in the back.
To understand the situation you have to have experienced this as a teacher. Maybe you can remember when you were a little girl and lost your best friend?

Your whole approach to this is hysterical, and based on anti-british sentiment we see all the time on the Internet.

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The ranting derogations about a country he’s never been to, perhaps? This is yet another awful thread courtesy of a US poster thinking that something they read in the mainstream news was true. No offence, I appreciate that non-Americans do this and that there are one or two Americans who realise the mainstream news is a load of crap. Nonetheless, you put the three together (ILP thread+US citizen+mainstream news article) and it’s a recipe for total idiocy.

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Hahaha!
Please, you all need to know what kind of ‘newspaper’ this report came from originally. ‘The Sun’ , owned by Rupert Murdoch, is a tabloid, right-wing, semi-comical excuse for a newspaper.
For years reporting on aliens in your attic, Elvis in your supermarket, and virgin births. Exposing sexual preferences of minor celebrities, inciting racial hatred and fueling anti-left-wing sentiments. Extreme nationalistic headlines against Germany, France, Europe in general, Argentina. And to cap it all, only following a change in law (Sexual Offences Act 2003) did they raise the age (from 16 to 18), of the nudes posing on page three.
I wanted to know more of this school policy so I have asked two respected, veteran teacher friends of mine. They basically laughed at me! It’s just another rumor of the ‘politically-correctness-gone-mad’ type of thing. Just an observation by an educational psychologist working with a school in London. Certainly not policy.
Sure, personally, I think it’s good for kids to have a large group of friends. But we are all different. There are those, children aswell as adults, who have a stronger bond with just one or two friends.

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Yes, i think it’s the ranting derogations about countries we don’t live in that make us racist.

Pots and kettles.

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Teaching fads come and go. It was once thought best to have kids sit at separate desks, all in neat rows. Then they were doubled up, so that kids always sat next to someone. Then the tables were put into groups of 4, and so on. All of these were based on current trendy ideas about the development of social skills, and how best to foster them. Now, classrooms themselves are being redesigned as larger, with different teaching areas.

To extrapolate from this passing fad to the notion that is is somehow government policy, or even that friendship will be banned, is a ridiculous example of ignorant, paranoid propaganda.

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Yes , with pleasure. Maybe you missed it.

“the UK tends to be 70-80 years ahead of the US in terms of indoctrination and brainwashing”

This is prejudiced nonsense.
Would you like me to find some more for you?

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There is a tried and true tradition of Anglophobia among American Conservatives - it’s amusing, if a bit stale at this point. You’re right it’s prejudiced nonsense, but then the American conservative worldview is really awash with such bigotries. It’s a tendency that will often, as here, reveal itself in their usually sorry attempts at humor.

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Oddly I did not expect to see a man with his cat on his head as a US anglophobic bigot.

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  1. I said ‘a country he’s never been to’. I have been to the US. Furthermore, one cannot live in the West without having US culture thrown at you from almost every angle. Everyone knows more about the US than any ordinary person in the US knows about anywhere else.
  2. I didn’t say CN was racist, I said those were the parts of the OP that indicate he is racist.
  3. I do not deny my own ‘racism’ towards people from the US.
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Fair enough, as long as you don’t deny it. But you should still open your mind to the idea that perhaps the culture being thrown at you is not a full, honest or adequate representation of the actual people you summarily condemn as a result.

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Oh, he was hating a country. OK, I can see at least some ground for that. I don’t think an American being critical of the UK can be called a racist for that. But thanks I get where HC was coming from.

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I did read that. It’s not racist. I think the distinction is important actually. And you seem to kind know it wasn’t racist give the way you relable it here.
I can get along rather well with people who dislike, very strongly, my native country, even hate it.
I don’t get along well at all with racists.
I am not saying he is right, hardly. He is making a ridiculous comparison and one that I don’t think holds water.
But it is not a racist one.

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3)Wait, are we really running with this conception of racism?
Which races are we talking about here?

I mean, come on. To me, anyway, there is a big difference between hating a country’s policies or even the country and hating a race. I mean, this is pretty much the if you are critical of Israel you are anti-semitic line. So it ends up being a cheap shot and to maintain the cheap shot you actually have yourself as a kind of racist, hating americans or the USA a country of as many different races as the UK. He earns enough criticism thruogh his looniness, to add in racism as a charge seems if nothing else like poor thinking and nto something you should defend in Hobbes.

He’s certainly countryist and so, it seems, are you, and who could really care about that since both countries have a lot to apologize for and are owned by the same corporations. But you don’t seem to be racists, here at least. And that’s, frankly, more important. I have a great distaste for Burma, and not just the military junta, fucking dengue and to much heat and yes, I’ve been there, but I am not racist against the burmese.

I think when you criticize the US you are a sexist.
And we he attacks the UK on weak grounds he’s a homophobe.

Ah, freedom…