You know you’re right. He damns everybody to heaven. Some of us just like heaven a lot more than others.
If one being is suffering in existence for any reason.,.
Heaven doesn’t exist. Except for a psychopath.
God is everywhere. God suffers. Does that throw a monkey wrench into your thinking?
No. It doesn’t. That means god is a masochist.
Not everyone is a masochist. Thus god doesn’t stand for everyone. Just sadists and masochists.
Let me put it to you this way:
God is the ultimate sado-masochistic, narcissistic, psychopathic, megalomaniac of all time…
If even one person suffers against their will or for a ‘greater good’
God doesn’t care about anyone else’s voice.
In fact he hates them.
This is another problem I have with people like you.
You define freewill as being evil. Not as being good.
If everyone is evil, god gave them freewill forever with gods ‘love’, but if someone is good… fuck them, torment them and torture them forever.
You do realize I’m not lying when I say if anyone suffers, that I suffer.
I guess god just doesn’t care about me. Forever.
So what do I do to fix this problem of god being mean to me forever?
I make a new plan for all existence.
And I will cherish the day when god is embarrassed for doing this to all of us.
Why do you think I define free will as being evil? I don’t. But you don’t say things for no reason. So please tell me where I went wrong in my logic.
I feel like we already covered this. That’s not the golden rule. The reciprocity is about realizing the other is a self and you are an other to them. It doesn’t mean that you do stuff in order to get stuff back.
Then what’s the point of being good if you don’t get stuff back?
More to the point of your last post…
Why come for the wicked and not the unwicked?
Think very carefully about this…
Jesus is basically saying “I’m probably sinning, so… if I forgive the wicked, I’ll be saved for being wicked”
That was Jesus best guess at the time.
He was playing game theory with an imaginary being.
The universe doesn’t work the way religion works.
The wicked don’t need to be sent to hell or saved…
They need to be DISEMPOWERED!!!
Then you debate them.
How many disempowered wicked people do you see?
Not very many. Thanks to Jesus defending them.
To be free of the slavery to getting stuff back that never fills the hole. Biggy knows.
They are deluded about their hole. Still wicked. When they realize it… when no becomes yes… they go supernova. But you have to sort of approach ‘em with flattery they know is a lie. So it’s not really lying.
You know.
When he asked them why they were calling him good when no one is good but God… he spoke things to them our ears are unaccustomed to. He was simultaneously rejecting their blasphemous, narcissistic flattery while (something some of them only fully saw in hindsight) claiming to be the God they would ultimately reject to the point of (allowing) crucifixion.
We all know.
Instead of declaring they had all the answers (like religions do), some prophet, some philosopher, some celebrity, some politician could have simply stated:
“Hey, by the way, we have this problem called consent violation, it’s when you don’t want something to occur… we need to solve this”
But no. Never happened. This world would be much better is someone wasn’t so self interested to the extent that they’d have to admit that we have work to do … instead of declaring existence perfect as it currently is.
What is it that you don’t want to occur? The thing that brings up in my mind is when Jesus talks about giving us a heart of flesh and removing our heart of stone. But that doesn’t violate consent. It’s something we realize we need once we see ourselves as we are.
What I don’t want to occur is me being hurt.
If anyone is hurt; I’m hurt.
I’ve told you this three times already.
I’m a hyper empath. I feel everything.
It’s impossible for me to have a good day if anyone is having a bad day.
Why has god condemned me?
What did I do to deserve it?
Nothing.
The problem is… your god is impotent.
I’m living proof of it.
Together though … we’re omnipotent.
Everyone wants a good parent that cares.
That’s not reality.
If we all cared about others’ pain and treated others as if their pain mattered, this world would be a very different place. A lot more like heaven and a lot less like hell. Would you rather not have the opportunity to cultivate heaven? Or do you think you could stop bitching and start cultivating?
I’m making new plans for existence dude.
I’m the only one smart enough to do it.
That’s called cultivating.
And yes, I will complain about your imaginary god who allows suffering.
Not everyone suffers for the same reason… some suffer when they’re happy. Some suffer when they’re loved.
Instead of accepting what is, I’m actually in the real job as a real being that is solving everyone’s spirits forever.
Until then, fuck you, a person never sent to hell, for trying to shame me for having complaints.
Your god sucks and I’m doing all the fucking work.
Try doing my job for a day without a complaint.
Do you really think you’re still going to brainwash me or guilt trip me that there’s nothing to complain about because your god is perfect?
And it’s MY fault when I’m annoyed by something ??
This is not a cult here. I’m sorry you’re brainwashed.
ok, ecmandu—whatever new plan you got, I’m totally down. I’ll def be there in spirit.
One thing I’ve learned…
Don’t make a wish you wouldn’t want to grant yourself.
You have to solve every problem in all existence to make one wish…
Most importantly, as a variable, the god concept.
Do not ask god to do something you wouldn’t want to do.
Maybe god just wants to live a normal life.
Well. According to some accounts, normal is a pleasure garden with fishable rivers. Skol!
Attributes? As in, personality traits? That’s a much more difficult question to answer. And I don’t think there really is an answer. There may be some loosely correlated attributes to being rational but nothing that could definitively determine that a person is rational or not. But off the top of my head, I’d say maybe intelligence, maybe conscientiousness, attention to detail. ← Things like that.
No, logic requires empirical evidence. If you want to test the logic of a prediction, you can test it the same way you test any scientific hypothesis. You can also test it against any Intro to Logic textbook. If you doubt those logic textbooks, write your own and test it against that.
Yeah, unfortunately we’re up against those who wish to censor the truth.
Hey Biggy, I haven’t forgotten about you. Will have a response to you soon.