That could be a plus for some. 
Not that I know of, but I’m sure that’s coming.
Not sure about the hygiene of that one.
Could get messy over time 
Why do you believe it though?
No, you pervert.
reason4emotion wrote:
Not sure about the hygiene of that one.
Could get messy over time
You could probably just plug one of these in:
futureone wrote:
Why do you believe it though?
Because I invented it: My Theory of Consciousness
Ichthus77 wrote:
No, you pervert.
You’re cheating, then?
I read some of it. Already some errors so far.
To really drive this home, imagine color–a perfect example of qualities if ever there was one–the different qualities of colors (their hues) fall on a spectrum (or rainbow if you like); you have red on the one end and purple on the other–in-between you have orange, yellow, green, and blue–but is it possible to have colors before red? Beyond purple? Bees are known to see into the ultraviolet–do they experience colors beyond purple?–What on Earth would that be like?–Can there be colors beyond even the bee’s range of experience?–well, the idea behind qualities having no limits is to say ‘yes’–there can. In fact, you might as well imagine the color spectrum as infinite in both direction, with trillions, and quadrillions, and quintillions of different and unique colors.
In MSPaint its a spectrum from red to red. Purple is next to red.
Mainly though, you don’t have proof there are any other colors besides our colors. You are just saying it, an assertion, but with no proof. The rainbow colors could be an objective limit of consciousness or the universe, and not a subjective artifact of the brain.
The only way to prove or disprove that is to build some cyborgs and tinker around with their visual cortex.
Pervert asking a question?
futureone wrote:
In MSPaint its a spectrum from red to red. Purple is next to red.
The colors we see are an artifact of how our brains are wired. You go a little passed blue on the spectrum and you get to almost twice the frequency of red. Because of that, it starts to stimulate the red receptors. It also continues to stimulate the blue receptors since it’s still close to the blue region. Because of these two signals, the brain has evolved to perceive a color midway between blue and red. It evolved to perceive purple.
But it needn’t have been that way. The brain could have evolved to continue extending the color spectrum. Who knows what colors the brain could have evolved to perceive.
futureone wrote:
Mainly though, you don’t have proof there are any other colors besides our colors. You are just saying it, an assertion, but with no proof. The rainbow colors could be an objective limit of consciousness or the universe, and not a subjective artifact of the brain.
I’m not claiming to have proof. I call my theory a “proposal”. I am merely proposing a model of consciousness and existence that I think makes sense out of the mind/body problem. If you don’t believe it, there’s not much I can do to convince you, but I do think my arguments are reasonable and quite “suggestive”, and a bit more than mere “assertion”.
futureone wrote:
The only way to prove or disprove that is to build some cyborgs and tinker around with their visual cortex.
Think of my theory as a prediction of what the outcome of that experiment would be.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-u0msqLrK4A
(Movie was garbage, but did have a few funny scenes, would not recommend though)
Bottom > Up. Nature > Brain. In all models.
Human brains evolved to perceive Nature…
Evolving more features and functions, to perceive more of Nature’s data…
Even if you believe in God, or a simulation, or aliens… Human brains would have been constructed, in a way to optimize for diversity of data collection… to perceive Nature’s data…
Computer monitors are made of red, green and blue pixels, Human eyes are red green and blue, this is not a coincidence…
The color is 3D, hue, saturation, and luminance… not a coincidence, you are making a bold claim that somehow humans will be able to perceive colors in 4D… Natural physics suggests that the universe’s physics are 3D, not 4D… String theory debunked long ago…
Even on drugs, people claim there are 7 dimensions, 9 dimensions, but never articulate it clearly… yet on drugs never do people claim to see new colors…
Then again, if they are able to play around with the visual cortex of a cyborg, maybe they can make new colors, idk, it just seems somewhat unlikely. And it is a bold claim in order to found a foundational theory on consciousness, on a bold and unproven claim…
futureone wrote:
Bottom > Up. Nature > Brain. In all models.
← What does that mean? I don’t deny that the brain comes from nature. →
Human brains evolved to perceive Nature…
← Now who’s making assertions? →
Evolving more features and functions, to perceive more of Nature’s data…
The brain is quite complex and can be aware of a great number of things. But evolution only equips brains with what they need to survive in their natural habitat. And this doesn’t even need to be an accurate picture of their habitat. It just has to drive certain behaviors conducive to survival. When you look at the stars, do you see vast distances between them? Can you tell that Alpha Centauri is light years further away than Venus? No, the stars look like holes poked into a black dome–all equally distant from you. What about religion? If the brain was designed to perceive reality as accurately as possible, why are there so many conflicting religions around the world? Even color doesn’t really exist in nature. There are only different frequencies of light. Our brain invents the experience of color as representations of these frequencies. Our perceptions of reality don’t have to be mirror reflections of reality itself, they just have to be isomorphic to reality, there just needs to be a mapping of our experiences to elements or aspects of reality, and those experiences have to be felt in such a way that they drive the kind of behavior that maximizes our chances of survival.
futureone wrote:
Even if you believe in God, or a simulation, or aliens… Human brains would have been constructed, in a way to optimize for diversity of data collection… to perceive Nature’s data…
← What does this mean? If we were created by God or aliens, they could have designed our brains any way they wanted. Maybe diversifying data collection or perceiving nature’s data is the last thing they had in mind. And as for simulations, that’s ipso facto not reality. →
Computer monitors are made of red, green and blue pixels, Human eyes are red green and blue, this is not a coincidence…
← Of course not. We designed the pixels in a monitor after the cone cells in our eyes. →
The color is 3D, hue, saturation, and luminance… not a coincidence, you are making a bold claim that somehow humans will be able to perceive colors in 4D… ← 4D??? No, I’m just saying one of the dimensions (hue) is potentially infinite. → Natural physics suggests that the universe’s physics are 3D, not 4D… String theory debunked long ago…
← I don’t know why dimensions all of a sudden entered the picture. →
Even on drugs, people claim there are 7 dimensions, 9 dimensions, but never articulate it clearly… yet on drugs never do people claim to see new colors…
Are you certain of that? Have you questioned every single person who’s ever done drugs? I know a person (a member of ILP in fact) who claimed to see a brand new color while in an altered state of consciousness (not drug induced). Besides, how do you know what changes need to occur in the brain to see a new color? Drugs either increase the rate of firing of neurons or decrease it. They would either enhance the vibrancy of familiar colors or diminish it. In order to see new colors, I would suspect an entirely new neural circuit would have to be plugged into the brain, a circuit for perceive this new color, and would have to be somehow wired to the retina.
futureone wrote:
Then again, if they are able to play around with the visual cortex of a cyborg, maybe they can make new colors, idk, it just seems somewhat unlikely. And it is a bold claim in order to found a foundational theory on consciousness, on a bold and unproven claim…
I don’t think it’s that bold. Lot’s of people believe in the possibility of experiences that the human brain cannot have while in a normal state (or any state). We know that a lot of the experiences the human brain can have are unimaginable to other animals. Dogs, from what I understand, have dichromatic vision (they see only two colors). Therefore, there must be at least some colors that we can see (and imagine) that are simply incomprehensible to dogs. Why is it that much of a stretch to suppose that we could be in the dog’s position with respect to experiences outside our range of consciousness? Do you think we’ve reached a pinnacle in biological evolution? A pinnacle beyond which there are no more qualities of experience? I actually think that’s highly unlikely.
Anyway, if you choose to respond, maybe do it at My Theory of Consciousness. Leave this thread for the topic of women being replaced by robots in matters of love, sex, and relationships.