Homosexuals vs. transsexuals

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Not exactly. Hinduism doesn’t reject homosexuality but I do not like the crazy shit their religion teaches them - they do not act right - which I found out soon enough when I was talking to them in India. So it is not solely because of a rejection of homosexual orientation, but that is part of it.

Many Christians are actually WOKE. The reason why woke politics are so popular in the US and Europe most of them are Christian. I would say Christians are split between being anti-Woke and being Woke.

Let me reiterate. Woke is the modern belief system that all minority groups should be uplifted, and be rewarded for simply being a minority group. Yes, I am even an extreme minority, an ethnic minority, irreligious, a dietary minority, and a sexual minority - and I am even against that philosophy because it rewards those who do not work it is unfair. It teaches people to be low lives. Woke infiltrates even the parenting to where parents want to give their children whatever they want, not provide them structure, and just emphasise empathy for everything. That’s why these children are growing up to be criminals and crazy people. Woke is about empathy only - not hard work, not structure just rebellion against anything that hurts their feelings. This is not how a society thrives, this is how it falls. That’s right.

These Christians who are anti-Woke make no sense because the Wokeism came FROM THEM, as KTZ / Lorikeet pointed out. Their Christianity keeps the pot stirring, and people use Christianity to make excuses for not working, not doing anything and being proud of stuff that is not earned, that just is. Christianity cannot make Woke go away, going away from Abrahamism does because it forces people to see themselves and the world in a more grounded way. Woke USES Islam, Christianity, and Judaism to infiltrate because of their tendencies to reward the poor, minorities, etc, just for being one, for being alive. These ideas come FROM Abrahamism.

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I think I understand where you’re coming from.

Nobody is to be valued independently of anything, just for being.

I think we can learn to be tolerant towards others, though, if we need or want them to be tolerant towards us, because if not, it’s a zero sum game. It’s one thing to dislike or disapprove “woke” behavior, another to be violently militant against it.

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Well, I’m a heterosexual pro-gay gay’s apologist because the benefits of there being gay dudes outweigh the losses. They mean more women for me and fewer human reproducers. That’s like buy one get one free. Good for me and the planet.

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Max, Max

There are things that we SHOULD NOT be tolerant of. We should not be tolerant of child pornography, or beastiality, or theft in general, or impersonation, for example.

We shouldn’t be tolerant of Abrahamism in my opinion. It is messed up the world. It’s narcissism and chaos, and teaching people to hate themselves and hate nature, to see it as disposable and be obsessed with the end of the world like Lorikeet / KTZ pointed out. Neither should we tolerant of this trans ideology stuff.

This is popular in the US here to just oh yeah be tolerant of anything and everything. It’s whatever you think of it. Anything goes… that’s chaos and mayhem. That’s woke nonsense.

Does that mean that trans ideology and Abrahamism, among some other things, will go away because I do not think humans should tolerate that stuff? No.

But as an individual I will say I won’t tolerate that stuff in my personal life. And I speak against it.

Yes.

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Wasn’t talking about being tolerant to anything- pedophilia, crime, etc, but to the basic choices people do in their lives, regarding their private lives, which don’t affect us in any way.

I don’t tolerate it either. I surely do not deal with trans people in my everyday life. I won’t be preaching against them online, though. They have their own bodies and their own lives to care about, I have mine.

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Woke parenting / gentle parenting have you looked at it?

Do you know that these political parties movements like Black Lives Matter and LGBTWQ+ Rainbow PRIDE stuff is doing to children? Do you know how they’re turning out?

I see it even among my sisters. African-American momma’s ‘oh baby, don’t cry i can take care of that for you, oh baby’ And parents ‘oh you feel like a woman okay well let’s put you on hormones and castrate your penis / chop your boobies off’. This is turning society into mayhem! I’ve seen it my nephew is now a crack head can’t get a job anywhere, got shot on the street around thugs, wears crazy dreadlocks - probably just going to go in and out of prison like many African-American men do it’s a pastime for them. no I am not sure if you know how much these crazy political movements are shaping our youth to turning into spoilt brats who think that anything and everything is wrong with them, they don’t need to critically think, and to just make excuses and having a constant victim mentality. That’s not the way to go.

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And then what you see is that they want to always say , ‘oh no, it’s ethnic DISCRIMINATION :angry:’ But How?? I’m an ethnic minority and I don’t have those problems - was raised by the same African-American mother as my sister that was a Pisces zodiac that was a terrible parent and now African-American nephew was not taught any structure, born out of wedlock, single mother, comforted and not taught to be a man. This stuff is out of control, Max. It starts at home. It starts by teaching children structure. And there are successful irreligious people so it is not about being Christian, in fact Christianity is what is messing society up too. It teaches people narcissism and chaos.

Woke people ALWAYS have an excuse for any failing on their part - for failing to raise children right. Now we have a crazy society because of them, and the Abrahamics.

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@Airwater37
@futureone

I have mixed feelings and thoughts on homosexuality, more so on transsexualism.

Ultimately I don’t think homosexuality should be promoted publicly at all and if consenting adults should choose to engage in such behavior it should strictly remain in private life, out of sight, out of mind.

For me heterosexuality is the population majority norm between men and women where nothing is ever going to change that biological dynamic.

But with all of that said, I don’t think such people should be violently persecuted or oppressed based upon any of that so long as that remains private out of public life and spotlight. I don’t think homosexuals should be jailed or imprisoned, that certainly hasn’t worked out very well for thousands of years, they still exist even after being persecuted in years past.

Maybe just fine them for inappropriate displays in public and a few weeks in jail for repeat offenders.

It’s just one of those things that keeps repeating all throughout human history even when the more conservative amongst us don’t want it to.

Kinda hard for me to hate all homosexuals completely since I can think of plenty of musicians or writers that were homosexual who beyond their private sex lives were great artists. With that I am forced to be a bit more impartial towards them.

Nonetheless, I think it is best they remain in the private closet for the sake of greater conservative traditional culture in society.

I am against transsexualism pushed on children and teenagers. I am probably less tolerant of transsexualism than I am of regular homosexuality, I believe we are the genders that we are assigned at birth where the plastic surgery they have for so called transsexuals today is a disgusting form of physical mutilation. In a sensible society such surgical procedures or butchering would be illegal and outlawed.

A majority of transsexuals are male to female ones I believe if I remember the statistics correctly, utilizing a woman’s public bathroom is not a human right, there’s nothing to the fact that you’re still a man regardless, I don’t care what identity you feel that you have, you will always be a man, you will never be a woman.

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Air & Water Airwater37 wrote:

It’s not popular in the US AT ALL, conservative homosexuality but it is popular in Russia.

“The police claimed it was a drug raid, but everyone understood they raided the club because it was a queer night,” he said. “Standing against that wall, you realise how little rights you have as a gay person in this country.”

At least two other LGBTQ±friendly venues in the Russian capital were raided on the same evening of 1 December, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court, in a landmark ruling, banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organisation.

Putin got it right!

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That Abrahamic attitude,

Stay in the closet. Keep it out of sight. BS

That’s BS. I shouldn’t have to spell out why.

As far as banning obnoxiousness sex parades and LGBTQ rainbow flags like Russia, all for that.

But we can hold hands in public and give little kisses on the cheek and stuff. Just like heterosexuals can (in North America that is - I don’t understand why that’s not allowed for anybody in Asian countries to do that - that’s lame to say they can’t).

What you say is no different than criminalising homosexuality, like Bhutan, India, has done in the past. Afraid of religious people, please.

Russia (excluding the Eastern Orthodox church) probably has the best laws concerning this, if Russia would allow Gay marriage and acts of endearment like holding hands. So an ideal country is like one in between Finland and Russia - allows gay marriage, homosexuality not illegal, but criminalises sex parades and the rainbow PRIDE flag.

I think most of us sane people know trans ideology is fantasy land and a sham.

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@Airwater37

Not really Abrahamic, even in ancient pagan Greece or Rome they frowned on homosexual public displays of physical affection.

Actually if I was really Abrahamic or Christian the crime for homosexuality was death in ancient times according to their traditions, of course I am not calling for anybody’s death here at all because even for homosexuals I think that is very wrong. So, saying I am Abrahamic in my views of homosexuality is not true at all.

In Russia there is no gay bars or clubs either, that too is illegal. Just want to make sure you’re also aware of that.

If anything friend, my views on homosexuality are very milquetoast compared to Abrahamic religious ideology. I am just saying keep such things private amongst yourselves, I am not looking to police your bedroom or private life. :clown_face:

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Okay.

That person over there is smoking a cigarrette on the sea port, my child sees this, I don’t want my child to see such sin against the body, oh my gosh!

It should be illegal to smoke anywhere someone can see you, OMG keep that away!

Do you see the problem with this?

Oh a Hindi and a Nepali cannot hold hands in public - it is against our religion ethnic mixing. Oh my god, don’t want my child to see that. Someone call the police help!

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@Airwater37

Maybe for the sake of peaceful tolerance in coexistence small forms of public affection can be overlooked, but making out in front of other people I would be strongly against. My ideal political and social society is a very strong traditionalist conservative one even if it is Marxist economically. I make no exceptions for transsexuals however, I can tolerate regular homosexuals to a very small degree, I have no tolerance for transsexuals whatsoever by comparison. :clown_face:

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But that’s for anybody of any sexual orientation.

Showing excessive intimacy, like tongue french kissing at the bus stop or sex parades is too far for anybody.

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@Airwater37

True, I suppose that I could agree with that.

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I think that the government should not except trans ideology, but

people can do any surgy or dress however thry want.

I have no problem seeing a man that wants to wear lipstick or wear high heels, a dress. I am a supporter of that freedom of expression.

But not them beleiving they ARE the opposite sex, and encouraging them to think this.

So in other words, ‘cross-dressing’ is perfectly fine, but not changing birth certificates, hormones and castration for children, and excessive zealous parades with a theme of sex.

Cross dressers going tp public libraries are not a problem for me. It is telling children they ARE the opposite sex and wearing ‘suggestive’ clothing like a penis themed purse in front of children. And teaching them in that there are genders and they can be whatever gender they want. They can be taught to express themselves I personally see no problem with a boy wanting to have a purse common among girls for example, or liking dresses. But being careful not to wear dresses and stuff that are sex based that suggests a prostitute type fit. That’s what we don’t want.

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@Airwater37

I would go back to a 1950s mentality, people can cross dress all they want privately, but in public, that’s a big no. There would be obscenity laws for that in public places.

As for the actual transsexual mutilation surgeries themselves I would make it illegal in my ideal society and nation state. If they want to mutilate themselves bad enough, they can go to another nation where it is legal as it won’t be legal in mine. :clown_face:

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@Airwater37

Have you read the statistics of botched transsexual surgeries gone wrong? The sheer number is mind boggling, it should be criminal what they do to people. :clown_face:

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But that makes no sense. I mean that’s dumb.

People should dress how they want - so much as they are not in some leather bikini with a chocker necklace and fishnet stockings, like they are enticing prostitution clients on the street.

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That’s a free will association between client and customer. That does not involve government. Part of a free society - freedom comes with making responsible choices and not looking like a tramp.

That is totally the customer’s risk.

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