Children are not legally capable of giving consent. That is what protects them against pedophiles.
Vaccinating a child is generally speaking a good.
Polio was once a devastating killer but is almost gone from the world. The only chance of it returning is the idiotic arguments of the antivaxxers.
There is a tiny statistical chance of some harm coming to a child from a vaccination. In that case it would be bad.
But again, on a thread about sociopathy its hard to see how this might be relevant. Except to say that any parent who neglects to have their child vaccinated could be seen as sociopathic.
GIven what I said above but went un remarked, what is sociopathic would depend on current socially definable norms,
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All such terms: sociopathy, psychopathy, are judgements about how the mainstream think that society should be run and how people should behave.
They are there to define certain aspect of peri-normal behaviour.
A sociopath is not an essential human quality, but a value judgment.
Detecting a sociopath will always rely on current and accepted defintion from recieved opinion.
It might be useful to reflect that before the beginning of the 20thC, we have no use for such a terms and it immediately came in to use to castigate homosexuals and what was seen as sexual deviants such as fallators and cunniliguists.
Additionally sociopathy was also recruited to describe political activism, such as suffergettes.[/b][/i]
Given how Sculptor responds to other people on this forum, isn’t he a bit of a sociopath?
Even if he’s not a full-on sociopath, what he’s doing on this forum is most definitely sociopathic.
Just look at the way he treats Meno.
Don’t get me wrong, I do think that Meno is incomprehensible, and I wouldn’t mind his posting privileges being restricted, but I don’t think he deserves the kind of treatment that Sculptor is giving him.
A large symptom of Sociopathy is a Need to control other people’s behaviors, in order to feel “safe” or at ease, comfortable.
This occurs with Social Justice Warriors and Religious Fanaticism. A cult becomes radicalized by ousting and destroying behaviors or ideas that ‘threaten’ them.
A person with severe Sociopathy brutally attack, often times physically and violently, those with “threatening ideas” even when accused with lies.
It is also called a “Purity Spiral”, when a group develops radical standards which no Sane human can maintain over time.
These groups eventually turn on themselves and collapse.
An example of such Sociopathy was when, just this last week, Ecmandu rationalized, defended, and justified ww3’s previous death threats and threats of violence on this forum.
That is a form of Sociopathy, threatening people based on their beliefs/ideas, even and especially when such accusations are built upon lies/fantasies/falsity/etc.
Sculptor is more of a Psychopath. He attempts to bully people on the forum (like Meno) purely for his own pleasure. That is Psychopathy.
I would appreciate members of this board not being labeled or diagnosed. Give someone a chance to change their behavior and stop gossiping about them. Y’all are worse than a sewing circle. Whatever that means.
There’s no need to give him a diagnosis, I can agree with that. And he might not in fact be any of those things I mentioned (sociopath and sociopathic.) But I don’t think that his responses to Meno (and to other people elsewhere in this forum) is something that should be tolerated.
I’m still waiting for you to answer my question, Ecmandu. You have to explain exactly what’s wrong with people not feeling pain when someone else in the world is feeling pain. If there is a kitten somewhere in the world suffering, why should I suffer too? You may be tempted to say “If you don’t suffer when others suffer, it’s a sign that you lack empathy; and because empathy is an extremely important ability, the fact that you don’t have it is a bad thing for you”. But how do you know that people who don’t feel pain when other people in the world feel pain lack empathy? Obviously, that hinges on the definition of the word “empathy”. How do you define that word? If you merely define it as an ability to understand what’s going on inside other people’s heads, an ability that is obviously quite important, how do you know that that these people don’t have it? The fact that they don’t suffer doesn’t mean that they don’t have it.
It’s not about ruining your life because of another’s misfortune … that’s an insult to them.
But like a container, you can fill the whole thing and walk the world with all the iniquity by holding their space and presenting well.
That’s noble.
We can’t make a change until the problem is defined outright.
The problem doesn’t fix itself, we do.
Another thing about this is that if there’s even a teeny consent violation in existence … it leaves a crack open for massive consent violation to come in.
To help everyone is to help yourself. To ignore everyone is to ignore yourself.
Now. In an existence like this, we need boundaries to do anything. This large meta structural problem of existence cannot be solved for everyone if we are incapacitated. So we make priorities to not be so incapacitated.
What bothers me most about our lives here is that the dumbest simplest thing could have been taught 10,000 years ago… “consent violation is the biggest problem in existence, we need to solve that problem knowing that existence cannot be destroyed”
It’s actually a simple thing to say and demonstrate.
The entire past was a waste. Billions of lives wasted on earth because nobody spoke those simple words.