is not Humanity , the survival of Humanity , above any god(s) ?
I don’t understand the question…
Can you clarify what you mean by “Humanity” (the homo sapien species, collectively? “human mind” “qualities” we all share—“intelligence”? language use? “the human condition”? Morality/altruism?)?
Also, what do you mean by “god” (what are, as you use the word, the defining “god” aspects that “any god” has)?
And finally, what do you mean by “Above”, in this context?
To a humanist, yes.
To a theist, not inherently; no.
Matthatter, he’s asking:
Doesn’t the survival of human beings as human beings mean more in value than any value of any god?
Indirectly, it is inferred that any god would not have anything to do with said survival or status of being human.
I believe that is the problem, by the way north, that you may be running into.
Theists, of nearly every kind, attribute gods with granting humanity its humanity, and subsequently its survival.
So to a theist, you are asking why the providers of being human are more important to revere than being human itself.
Some theist’s may agree, but most will point to the gods and see holding humanity (as a state) as more in value than gods as some form of negative; often conceit.
How so? Is this even possible?
From a humanist perspective; yes.
For instance, to me; the answer is yes.
I don’t care if gods exist; it is of no concern to my perspective on value and life.
Humanity and the human experience is my spirituality itself and is the highest point of value.
Gods are just part of that experience; not more important than humanity or the human experience to me.
It’s not that I don’t appreciate your answer without necessarily agreeing with it, it’s just that I was asking this question to north.
humanity for sure.is above gods,and its likely going to win it all.God through predestination and long sitedness rules man. For example God made Adam in their image which is the image of gods but man because of direct interaction with nature,man became powerful in logic and execution. This caused outcry amongst the gods as they demanded God to reduce. Then God answered to them and he created Eve. Man shortsighted he lost it all. But due to misbehaviour of gods against man.God gave back man his powers through Jesus Christ. Man is now destined to win again
First, your post is self-contradictory. You start by saying humanity is above gods and is going to win it all (whatever “it all” is), and they you say that God rules “man” (not anyone not man, very sexist and adultist) through predestination and long sitedness (sic). So here you have three separate pov’s strung together with no coherence whatsoever.
Then, you preach the Bible as though it were literal fact and still exclude all of humanity but “man.”
For the record, whatever “man” may or may not be winning, it might help to look at humanity and the world the way they actually are without all the serious confusion over books of the bible and calvinistic notions of predestination.
I want to know what kind of god are we talking about? Is this god made up of atoms? Does this god take up space? Come on.
God is zero.so to know study characteristics of zero
Looks like this god is conceptually a placeholder for anything other than, “not”.
Turtle, have you ever stopped and cursed the modern era for doing away with overt popular polytheism?
The Stumps wrote-----------Turtle, have you ever stopped and cursed the modern era for doing away with overt popular polytheism?
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I don’t think so.
Notice the subject of the thread reads “any god.” What constitutes a particular notion of ‘God’ is irrelevant in this context.
Well F’n said! I think we can agree that ‘God’ is an ideal [or the ideal]. What is more idealistic to humanity than eternal existence, limitlessness, utter benevolence, and total authority? As such, The only thing I would add to the statement above is that ‘God’ is a conceptual placeholder for anything other than “not”, “false”, or “evil.”
Haha! Turtle, my suggestion to you is to risk a hypothesis. You seem concerned with the nature and physical constitution of ‘God’, but seem to have no opinion on the matter.
Put it this way – would a certain “kind” of ‘God’ take priority over an invested interest in humanity? if so, which? And does that notion of ‘God’ agree with your own beliefs?
Why not? You seem constantly confused by the variations of the word, “god”, (in all of it’s possible uses) constantly.
It would seem that if everyone had a polytheistic god, rather than everyone trying to claim varying attributes of the same god name, then your confusion would be erased.
Not sure what you mean to be asking, but it triggered this response in me: If (since) God does not interfere, our survival is up to us and Nature. Someone could push the button tomorrow, or the Sun could go Nova. God won’t intervene.
I agree with North. It is up to us now.
This idea is predicated on the idea that “God” is a person separate from all other persons. There are other views of “God” that don’t work that way. One is that “God” is pervasive and not separate from us or anything. Thus the question of personal intervention would not be an issue. Everything we think, do, say, is an expression of God.
Even the holistically permeating approach to divinity is still standing with any god not being any relevance more than the value of humanity.
The concept of any god is being presented as being below the concept of humanity.
It doesn’t matter what the physical status of either is.
In fact, an old Hebrew belief was that God was literally in their blood in authority and power.
Their blood was the energy and life of God.
Their unity was through this.
By that fact alone; as consequence, they viewed their own as more in value than their own god…constantly.
Even within the Biblical texts, they are alleged with choosing their own security over their god.
And outside of the Biblical texts…they were renowned fighters for the same affect: they became the front line prize of the Ptolemaic empire for their pride of their Israelite lineage which was above all else.
So in this example, we can see easily how the concept of an holistic approach to a god does not inherently mean that one’s humanity takes second seat.