Uccisore
I was addressing your statement implying the latter one here; “So they aren’t lazy people that want everything handed to them”, and made an argument against that notion. I don’t see how it’s a red herring or not referring to what you said. I do expect vigour if you are going to make such statements yes. However if you were saying that people [e.g. The unemployed] aren’t lazy and should be paid reasonable wages when they get a job, then indeed we have no argument.
You also suggested that society was whimsically manifesting such an attitude of laziness, when for the poor, society is in fact constantly attacking them and trying to make out they are lazy. If you didn’t mean that, then again we have no argument.
Are we speaking a different language or something?