and you know this? How? Are you one of them?
Are you claiming otherwise in your existence then?
Answer my question.
Are you a demon?
Are you a demon reasonforemotion?
As I thought.
You are a fool. LOL
I am not a fool reasonforemotion…I am merely saying that theism is not enough because even the devil and his demons believe in God so your bold statement above is a lie.
Atheism and Theism are binary reasonforemotion.You need to balance equal but opposites out and not stray to the right or left.
Atheism/Theism=Atheism/Theism
Neither mere atheism nor mere theism are of any use to you whatsoever.
Mere RELIGION is of no use to anyone.Doing the will of God is what matters.
There will be many genuine believers in God jumping over the sheepfold fence with their pre-conceived “goodies” rather than going through the gate.
So even though many genuine believers in God will be saying Lord Lord…..they are going to be very disappointed.
Matthew 7:21-23
Mere RELIGION is of no use to anyone.Doing the will of God is what matters.
You are right, this controversy between God and Satan has been raging since before the creation of the earth.
A basic question……. is the jury still in session when it comes to the character of God?
Yes.
Are there whole religious systems that claim that their view of deity is the correct one and everyone slse must be killed by the sword if they dont follow that view?
Yes.
So you have the aggressive, you have the timid and you have everything in between.
So lets start with the biblical story. The Book of Genesis, but you wont get a view of the exact character of things until a little later, so one should go to Ezekiel Chapter 28.
You could claim that God is responsible for the sins of the whole world and let him take the punishment for the lot even though he is innocent.
Do you agree?
Either way the sins of the whole world would be paid for whether you believe God is innocent or not.
The devil is very clever at pitching theism against atheism.
Even the devil’s a theist.
God is righteous and far cleverer than the devil.God had a plan in place to defeat the devil even before he created everything.God defeated the devil on his own.God didn’t need our help at all.
So put your “good works” away.
This is why you need to do things in accordance with God’s will and go through the gate into the sheepfold and not jump over the fence into the sheepfold with your “good works”.
Matthew 7:21-23
Exekiel Chap 28 verse 14
The verse is often interpreted as a reference to Lucifer’s initial perfection before his fall due to pride. Many biblical commentaries identify the passage as a description of Satan’s origin, highlighting his beauty, wisdom, and high status as a perfect created being before sin was found in him.
He acted contrary to that law by coveting the position of God “you shall have no other gods besides me”, right?
“He was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created till iniquity was found in thee” that was a profound statement “perfect” means without sin from the day that thou was created.
So, the question arises if God created him and it was found in him then God must have put it there right?
The debate in Calvinism is who is responsible for the fall, did God create man to fall, did he create Lucifer in order to be found with iniquity or what is this mysterious thing that happened here this strange thing that interfered with perfection.
So what was it, how did it get there? Now the first question I would have for you is, was this entity Lucifer, was he capable of exercising his will? Yes.
Contrary to the will of God. Yes.
Doesn’t that prove that he has freedom of choice? Yes.
Now if he had freedom of choice and he was perfect, then he was without sin right, he was perfect until the word implies a time period “until iniquity was found in him”.
But we can say that God created the potential for it to develop, because of free will.
That would prove something to Him to this freedom of choice that He instilled in this created being and it was of such paramount importance to God that he was prepared to suffer the consequence for a particular period of time and he was not a God who was not going to become involved in this he was prepared to bear the consequences himself .
Atheists and Theists agree 100% that either humankind or a devil god is responsible for all the atrocities that have or will happen throughout history.
The biblical scriptures state that Jesus was without sin and died for the sins of the whole world.
As mere theism and mere atheism on their own,are of no use to anyone and neither is theism and an individuals good works according to the biblical scriptures (Matthew 7:21-23) then that just leaves a righteous God on his own sorting things out,
In response to the above
The verse that says “by faith you will be saved” is most directly found in Ephesians 2:8-9.
“It is the gift of God, not the result of works, so that no one may boast.”
I agree with both of you on this matter, and I’m glad that you agree with each other and me.
It’s not about deserve.
It is very clear in the biblical scriptures what Jesus said about the Pharisees and Sadducees false teachings and we know (because Jesus said so) that due to false teachings there will be many believers in God who will be jumping over the fence into the sheepfold with their pre-conceived good works who are going to be very disappointed and finally realise that they should have gratefully gone through the gate leaving their “goodies” behind.Matthew 7:21-23 is not referring to unbelievers in God.It’s referring to believers in God who didn’t believe God’s instructions and therefore didn’t carry them out.
That doesnt make sense.
You either believe or you dont and from your response they are non believers who feign belief. To give a false appearance of belief, which is entirely different to a genuine belief which entails acceptance in full of the Word.
As the saying goes “you are either pregnant or you are not”.
It makes total sense.
It is totally clear what the bible says.
There are many believers in God who do not carry out his instructions to go through the gate without their good works.Rather,they jump over the fence into the sheepfold with their good works,boasting.
Matthew 7:21-23 couldn’t be any clearer.
I understand what you are saying and that is called “End time deception”, that is why it is important to know the Scriptures.
We are already in end time deception and false teachings claim that it is ok to jump over the fence into the sheepfold with your good works rather than going through the gate without them.
Matthew 7:21-23 is totally clear.
I agree.
That is why the Scriptures protect you from false prophets and deception and lies. Let not your heart be troubled.
Matthew 7:21-23 is referring to believers not unbelievers.
Many believers jump over the fence into the sheepfold boasting about their good works.Other believers go through the gate not boasting about their good works because they know that they don’t have any.
You have been deceived by false teachings reason4emotion..
Weylp. Now you’re “both” ironically wrong on purpose.
sigh
Do I hafta?