I think it get it now.

Philosophy Forums Religion and Spirituality
1

You experience sleeping as dreams. Perhaps what you mean is absolute anesthesia, or aa. Aa cannot be experienced, it doesn’t exist. Therefore, it follows that such a death could not be experienced, because it doesn’t exist. It logically follows that since it doesnt exist, like Aa, you would wake up at some point in time as if it never happened.

You may lose your memories. But your consciousness would have an infinite amount of chance and time in order to resume. The probability of resuming is 100 percent.

So you live a good life, do your best to promote good living and good DNA. When you die, time travels infinitely. You wake up at the End of Time. Thanks to your efforts, you are in Heaven, a Heaven created by your actions from the past.

So you live a bad life, Earth ends in a nuclear holocaust. When you die, time travels infinitely. You wake up at the End of Time. All planets are in flames. Your consciousness, having no body enters into the center of Earth, Hell, the bottomless pit. After 1 million years of molten magma, the sun eventually grows larger, consuming the Earth. You now reside in the lake of fire, until which time the sun supernovas, collapses and becomes a black hole. You are now trapped in the Abyss.

You must help me upgrade the DNA, or we may all perish in damnation.

Either that or we each live in a parallel universe, connected by the multiverse only through communications and weak energy transfers, and you each must pitch in to Heaven for your selves in order to secure your own salvations.

PS: A secret of the gods - the Movement of letters and words is a function of the gods - It can change the spiritual truths and essences of even inalienable truths. Words can create paradoxes. Paradoxes within paradoxes. I can shape a phrase to mean the same as another phrase, but the meaning of one becomes n-dimensional, and causes new creations, new-essences, new paradoxes, creating a dynamic flux essence of the now multidimensional (hyperdimensional) phrase, the merging of two phrases, and their simultaneous separation, a phraseological Godhead.

2

Yea but how do you get consciousness then not consciousness, then consciousness again? You can have a value which [naturally] comes to an end, but once it does, it simply is no more.

Reasonably, you either get continual consciousness [albeit with different states] or one which begins exists and then terminates.

The only other option is to have something from which consciousness derives, to wit it can return, then arise once more. …like a brain, but that is physical and would show if it was producing something.

Perhaps there is a universal subconscious, but i still think there is a difficulty with being and non-being, that you cannot have something which contains both properties [where consciousness is something]? like how you cannot have no energy, then energy [and then no energy again etc].

3

experience is intrinsic

4

When you die you get transmuted into other things.
When you are alive you also transmute into new things.
There is no solid self. Everything that we think is there, will later be elsewhere, or not even visible.

I’m assuming you are talking about reincarnation?

I call that something a bit different.
It is recovery. Whatever you left behind, your surviving body parts and energies start to regrow, and after a very long time, they recover from being dead, and can fly around and pull shit.

5

Dan

If the consciousness transcends it’s physical form, then necessarily there is something about it which lies beyond anything of that form. Thus:

  1. Given reincarnation; the something of the consciousness which is not of the physical form, is the thing which is between incarnations. Which gives us a fundamental universal as opposed to eternal transience.

  2. Given rebirth; as above, but where there are no informations carried over from one incarnation to another.

  3. Something else; that a consciousness would be something similar but not the same as another consciousness = distinctiveness. Now add that the soul [conscious universal] has abilities, such to perceive and learn information about the world [or a given world/realm]. It can e.g. Observe, wipe and record.
    How would the soul [conscious universal] know any information presented to it, if it did not already have that ‘info’ or something similar enough [to stretch-to-fit] to making the necessary comparative to know said information?

Ergo you got yourself a distinct conscious universal + a knowledge-base and abilities necessarily external to the learned thing or world.

If consciousness is supra-physical let us say [where the undefinable and infinite reality is surely ‘physical’ as well as the universe [it’s body]], then 3 is the reasoned option, no?

_

6

It is experience, not consciousness. Consciousness implies organization, a system of experience.

Experience is intrinsic. After death, you may lose your particular consciousness. Experience remains. The time span in which consciousness emerges after that is unclear. Time is relative, so even if the number was found, the exact percieved rate would be unclear. The intensity of experience, is a functon of time. With no experience at all, time would have an infinite rate. Brains would have a sharper intensity of experience than no brains. Brains in pain have an even sharper intensity. So with no brain, time would feel to be moving faster. However with no organization, you would have experience, but no thoughts or self-awareness. You would not even realize what time is.

7

Intelligence implies a system of experience, but consciousness has awareness at base, then perception which is a focussing of that. Experience is surely what that awareness is being aware of. so yes, and no.

Consciousness = awareness.

Good way to traverse billions of years until an earth-like planet arises. No experience surely means no awareness, hence no consciousness, and then you no longer have a transcendent form to traverse said time with. No vehicle.

We can get past this problem if instead of ‘no experience’ we have ‘all-experience’ and eternity is reached, which is infinite, so vast periods of time are meaningless to it!

_