Karen told me your value judgements are objectivist.
That you are a “fulminating fanatic”…and challenges you to give her a CONTEXT!, in the here and now.
Don’t even know what it means, but people have given her contexts, and none of them were good enough.
None of them could satisfy her.
My last hope, teacher, is in your eternal wisdom.
Prophet of the coming Messiah, chosen one…do you have a context?
I know this being doesn’t want their consent violated.
That’s true of all beings.
At a certain point, you have to acknowledge someone is a troll, has a disorder or condition.
Are you a fulminating fanatical objectivist…my way or the highway?
Karen demands a context.
Prove to her you are the chosen one, the prophet of the coming Messiah.
Giver her and us all a context for all your claims.
How are we to live our lives, in the here and now?
Is all that you have to offer skyhooks, up in the pedantic clouds?
My way (by the way) is that every possible being gets everything they want at the expense of no possible being.
If you debate that… you’re wrong.
It’s infinitely inter subjective and objective as fuck.
I know what it’s like to debate AI.
It has no consent structure.
It is impossible for AI to accept a fact and lose a debate.
It’s impossible for AI to learn.
One last thing, for tonight…Karen says Dasein means we are all thrown into the here and now, as blank slates, and we learn how to think and what to think, and how to judge and choose…forever and ever, and ever…with no way to change our minds.
She calls you an fulminating fanatic Objectivist, like Ayn Rand.
Karan Mary Land says she needs a context for your prophesies…bring it down to earth, in the here and now.
Karen says all is determined so we have no choice but to be what we are, to think as we do, for ever and ever…with no hope of salvation.
Your eternal mind must have a context to shut her up once and for all.
I am a young spirit…I cannot give her a context.
The context is simple.
She’s a subjectivist fulminating fanatic.
Nobody wants their consent violated.
Objective or subjective.
That’s both objective and subjective.
When we say Treat every self/other(s) as you/we would consent to be treated, some argue it is too vague, but one could argue its broad application across every social context is its strength. If we always violated it, social contexts would cease to exist.
[The Trinity is the “first” being-in-relation.]
People don’t seem to understand me.
I’ll tell a billion different women that it immediately violates my consent to not have sex with me right now.
A billion women will say, that violates my consent.
For the first time in the entire life of the human species, people are actually having a conversation.
People haven’t had conversations before I arrived:
War would not occur to humans if they spent all their free time thinking about how to not violate consent.
This game is infinitely cooler than all the other games people play.
So I guess …make self=other love like avoiding war depends on it.
If not now-now… then, a later now.
In other words.
Wait for yes.
Aka get consent.
#amiright
#winkwinknudgenudge
Brilliant!!
Let’s see if Karen accepts this eternal context.
Note to Karen
Is this a good enough context Karen?
Hippies…
Let’s make love, not war.
No more conflicting value judgements…you and Karen…
Wait…are you also Karen?
End of evolution, beginning of social engineering - let’s not call it eugenics, let’s call it social selection, or the end of selection since all will be hermaphrodites, i.e., transsexuals.
Sexual division united forever and ever, amen.
Natural selection replaced by…love selection. Compassion selection.
A merger of the Time Lord and Karen’s magical emoting - their Magian genius.
Nobody is violated; all get what they want…by ceasing to be individuals…no more judgements and choices.
No objective world - inter-subjective creationism.
Collective hive-mind. Collective judgements and choices.
Collective sharing of consequences.
No, not on moral grounds…ideological. We are rational, not superstitious here.
We come to a consensual, mutually beneficial agreement - we consent and concede.
We compromise, and we all get what we want, depriving it to nobody, for ever and ever, cross my heart hope to die.
This is an mazing plan.
Marxism merging with Kabbalism…as if they were ever separate.
World is healed: Tikkun Olan.
All get their share - Dr. Who + Marx?
All judgements and choices are ended - Mary Land, Karen + Wokism - man is god, creator of himself and the world.
Utopia…Paradise.
No more suffering…no more hunger…no more unloved, uncared for - no more injustices, no more discriminating minds…no more difference. All is the same. No mistakes…all is true.
No more war, strife, disagreements…conflicting value-judgements…but a final complete eternal just peace…peacegirl?
Divinity achieved.
Yes…I see it. ILP is a cabal of Kabbalism…or should I say Gnosticism?
You’re crafty 
Is it the natural order, or the wild of nature, that … “selects”?
If order, what’s your beef with self=other? If wild, what’s your beef with iron sharpening iron? It’s all antagonism towards development.
How do you discern evolution from devolution?
self=other is opposite of hive mind & opposite of narcissism
No, there is not a will called nature that selects…
Nature is the term used to refer to the process of selection through…, competition, conflict, strife…war.
Devolution = return to a previous state of evolution.
Sweetie…so sweet and clueless.
Evolution does not mean towards omnipotence, omniscience, higher…it means towards what is most adaptive to the fluctuating environment.
We are not progressing towards the better, and you are the proof of that.
If simple mindedness is most adaptive then it is naturally selected and replaces genius.
Selection means = what offers an advantage passes-on its qualities.
If stupidity offers an advantage, it is selected.
simple mindedness and genius
false dichotomy
overcomplicating is maladaptive
if nature is mindless, what stays is of no consequence
but if nature is mindful, mind selects what stays & consent matters
if nature only exists because mind is its source, nature itself is selected/consented to stay
there is evidence of a beginning to the physical/energy/movement
as well as evidence of sustained existence
we’re here — nature is here — because we are wanted
omniscience & omnipotence are nothing
self=other is everything
Simplification is compensating.
Because life is mindful.
The mindless gives rise to the mindful.
As such, life experiences existence as need/suffering…and the feeble seek refuge in romantic idealism and utopianism where existence is reinvented in a mindful way, according to human prejudices imagining eternal satiation, and immortality.
Yes…mind guided by ideology/dogma…Karen’s pet peeves.
So, to Karen, and you, any objective description of existence is considered a subjective projection of intent, or an expression of ideological/dogmatic preference.
No, ‘nature’ is what the mind calls existence.
‘World’ is another word it uses to refer to existence…
Mind emerges from the existent.
Existence precedes mind…other than in the minds of nihilistic ideologues and dogmatists who invert everything seeking shelter in words.
Really
Where?
In your mind…in theory.
What is “sustained existence” sweetie?
Show me, don’t tell me.
Ha!!!
Wanted…by god, of course.
Your need to be ‘wanted’ reveals much about you…not existence.
Want, Need, Desire…exposes dependence…weakness.
We’re sustaining the existence of this conversation because you are treating me as yourself, and I am treating you as myself, in assuming we understand each other. We communicate because we both have the capability, but how did the capability evolve without a mutually produced, irreducibly complex (as simple as it gets) sender/receiver structure? This is the structure of nature everywhere.
Those working in AI will not crack that nut w/o cracking THE Nut.
Or becoming nuts.
Erm.
How you like…
…don’t say it.
You want me to link to my post to Urwrong’s “beginning” thread for review? brb
You ask how intelligence and morality evolved…and both these have been answered.
Natural selection.
Demanding environments promote traits that offer an advantage.
Intelligence processing, awareness, self-awarenss, offers some kind of advantage within natural, challenging, indifferent environments.
When environments become less challenging, sheltering, this advantage becomes a burden…stress or ennui.
Schopenhauer said it all ni this area.
How and why cooperative, social survival and reproductive strategies evolved is also a product of an advantage.
In Satyr’s Words, I define Morality/Ethics.
This explains why cooperative survival strategies evolved and how they are maintained.
Reciprocity, imposes limits on individual choies…otherwise the individual is excluded…or forced to move out, as it were.
But, today there is no ‘out’…as there are no more accessible frontiers.
This causes a new set of psychological issues…like Freud’s discontents.
Sheltering also protects unfit mutaitons…so they propagate and compound resulting in these freakish monstrous deviances.
The positives of sheltering come with a cost…the benefit with a price.
But minds like yours never consider those.