LampAndNightingale
(6 Points>6 Lines>6 Triangles, Between Nile & Euphrates)
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Not just that (= the logically absurd) but also the quantum world, the interface between potential and actual, which is the mind of God and therefore unknowable by us unless it is revealed to us.
Other things are also Al Ghayb e.g. the true form of Jinn (spirits). For some reason, nobody can know what their true forms are, even if we see them, it’s not the true form and so it too could be classed as Al Ghayb, the Unseen.
It’s a catch all term for anything that is pointless discussing, l mean actually pointless rather than “don’t discuss it or you’ll become enlightened and powerful and thus defeat God”- rather, it is what is really, honestly, pointless to discuss.
The finitude vs. infinitude of the universe are themselves concepts with some differences also dependent on what do you mean by “finite” or “infinite” (infinite space-time? finite but zero in size? infinitely small? infinite in scale but finite in content?). One may match reality, the other may not. Idk what to say here.
Everything starts as a concept/idea. Reality is the realization/application when the idea gets applied, embodied, matched to what shows up. A chair is first a concept in my mind (form + function + purpose). The physical chair is the realization because it matches that concept. Anything that doesn’t match isn’t a chair.
When I was writing this post, I realized the structure: concept/idea first then realization of it. Ideas aren’t “in” reality. The ideas in my mind are a bunch of neurons/electrons. But the same idea could be written on paper, stored on a phone, etc. So, the ideas themselves aren’t the neurons or paper. None of those carriers are the idea. So, you see that ideas are not some separate substances they don’t have any of their own form. They simply don’t exist. Without someone conscious like me the paper of ideas is meaningless scribbles. Destroy the paper, the neurons, even the entire universe, the idea survives because it was never “in” any of those things. Ideas aren’t not points in space-time, not bound by physical laws. We cannot point to any realization and say that this is the idea itself. Therefore, ideas do not exist in the way realizations do. Existence is a concept we apply only to what is manifested in reality.
So, if the concept of nothingness is pointless to discuss because it has no physical manifestation or realization in reality… then the same must apply to God. God has no physical form or manifestation by definition. Does that mean God is also pointless to discuss? Or does the pointless label only apply when it suits the argument?
Btw causality is a concept involving one action being caused by intention, deliberateness, or purpose. Correlation is a concept describing observed patterns or co-occurrences between realizations (tangible states, actions, events in the world). And through correlation, God doesn’t exist.
Also everything is technically part of “quantum world”. Everything in our experienced reality is already a result of quantum processes. What people call the “quantum world” is just the non-trivial or counter-intuitive behavior that shows up when we look at scales/behaviors where classical intuitions break down. The math actually works, predictions are accurate, and many aspects (superposition, entanglement etc) are conceptually graspable even if they feel weird at first.
You need to exist to claim that you don’t exist means that GOD is back in the mix…not that he actually went anywhere …lol…he just backs off for a while,as he sees fit.
Whichever interpretation of ‘finitude’ works. It doesn’t depend on it.
You got it in reverse. Let’s take fire: first exists fire, then someone perceives something, then makes up a concept to refer to what it is, then words and all that. Did fire exist prior to the concept of fire?
No, the ideas can’t be stored. What can be stored are descriptions of ideas, things that refer to that ideas, or refer to such realities
LampAndNightingale
(6 Points>6 Lines>6 Triangles, Between Nile & Euphrates)
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Hi there! Sorry for the delay, l was away fasting during Ramadan.
Nothingness is pointless to discuss not because it is non-physical (the soul, emotions, context etc. etc. matter, but are not physical things).
Rather, Nothingness is pointless to discuss because there’s literally nothing to discuss.
I don’t understand your correlation argument to refute God’s existence, sorry.
Quantum world: no, everything arises from the Quantum world. But the Quantum world isn’t merely the particles. It is the operation of those particles. Thus our world is not part of the Quantum world.
The quantum world is the interface between Nothingness and Something. I may need to renege on saying Nothingness is absolutely nothing. Nothingness could also be the infinite potential that is in the mind of God.
Either way, absolute nothing, and infinite potential as per God’s mind, are pointless to discuss.
Evenso, there are exceptions e.g. if l fail to do extra prayers l might not make it to heaven, God may be angry. Well, we don’t know that for sure but it is worth bearing speculation lile this in mind.
Howeever, if we were to say: God is the ultimate judge, the ultimate intellect, therefore he must have a favourite colour: what is that colour? <— this would be pointless.
There are also other unusual things included in Al Ghayb (The Unseen): e.g. the true form of Jinn (spirits) - they may take many forms, some terrifying. But no human has ever seen their true form, it is considered Al Ghayb. Perhaps because it is of the 2D world (one common question when evaluation schizophrenia is: have you seen geometric forms?).
I like to say when defining Al Ghayb: play it by ear (i.e. go by Hadith and Quran)