What section in torment would he put you?
Accordingly to what you have disobeyed?
If everyone is a sinner, then everyone is reserve in a place call hell.
Yes, and the fact you can cancel that reservation, is just a great example of free will.
I’m not sure what ‘section’ God would let you choose from your actions, but whatever the section you will suffer a loneliness, something nobody wants to live in for eternity.
free will?
If you can explain this to the leaders of all churches, sects, dogmas, religion, then you may become a prophet.
But anyhow, how can free will cancel that reservation?
By accepting Christ as your personal savior.
by accepting Christ would not that make you determined?
a slave to christ?
Slave? If you don’t want Christ you don’t have to accept him. If you feel your a slave you most likely won’t follow Christ and you most likely aren’t saved and you most likely have no personal relationship with God.
Why is it so crucial to follow Jesus? According to him and his bible senseless violence is the way to solve everything.
People who work on the sabbath - stone them
teens who disobey thier parents - stone them
those who dont sell ALL thier possessions and follow christ - Hell.
and theres plenty more.
I mean honestly.
Never mind about “God’s Judgment”. That’s just fussion of perfectionism and dictatorship.
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Are you talking about man after his death? Which part of man is “tormented” by what? Surely not the physical part for we see that the body is buried or cremated, can it feel great pain? Is it the immaterial part of man then that is tormented? Is it logical for an immaterial part to be tormented by material means? Can the immaterial understand the material way? Hell, I think is a condition, a product of man’s mind. Hell is right here on earth, by man’s own doing. Ask the living victims of torture, some don’t live to tell their hells. See what Hitler had done to his fellow human being.
I mean honestly I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about.
So, I’ll ask you some questions.
Who was Jesus?
What did he do?
Why did he come?
What was the old law?
Why did God send Christ?
Dan, lets just be real and let you tell me what it is you have against Christianity?
Why would I care about another’s judgment?
Unless it carried along with it the implication of a threat or cost.
And there is Religions ‘Love’.
The threat made unthreatening.
Doesn’t love function in this way in every social interaction?
no, not loves that I have experienced. no love has ever made me worried about its loss or pain or threat of such. those love that I have experienced are nonconditional loves.
I’m not going to answer these stupid questions. Don’t be condescending to me. angry face
Allow me to prove God is imaginary with 1 simple proof.
What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus – according to this recent article, “54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true.” In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.
If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If “every one who asks receives”, then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If “our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him”, then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
If “nothing will be impossible to you”, then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement “nothing will be impossible to you” becomes “lots of things will be impossible to you,” and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
In Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If “you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer”, then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret “you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer”, unless you replace “whatever” with “nothing” or “little.”
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If God says, “believe that you have received it, and it will be yours,” and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
“I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.” [ref]
Look at how direct this statement is: “You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.” This is the “Son of God” speaking. Have we taken him “too literally?” No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement “out of context?” No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus’ statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again…
In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus’ promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of “inspired” human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.
Jesus is supposed to be God. God is supposed to be perfect.
When Jesus speaks, he should speak the truth.
Yet when we look at what Jesus says about prayer,
he is clearly lying.
If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus’ name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus’ name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus’ requirements.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus’ promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered. This happens because God is imaginary.
And please dont speak of God’s will and his plan because that can be “merked” as well. If God has a set plan, and his will goes unwavered, then why does your will matter? Exactly, it doesnt. If God has a will then your will can not override it. Period. You can pray all you want that your father will stop anally butt raping you but as long as it’s in God’s will for you to have a miserable life and commit suicide by slitting your wrists nothing can change that.
Either way, i simply merked the effectivness of prayer. Check the bible quotes. God’s message is clear. But he doesnt deliver what he promises.
I would appreciate it if you, club, or someone else took the time to read all of that and respond. I would also enjoy a rebuttle. winks
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I think this is false.
I think it means ask and you shall be answered. But there is a chance of rejection so keep on asking. Not to god but to man.
Like I, am shy and fear of rejection, but somethings must be done. I don’t like to apply for jobs, but somethings must be done.
Moral Duty.
while i respect your judgement i have to disagree. Please read thee other quotes and you will clearly see that prayers are meant to be GRANTED not simply answered. And furthermore for that point what is the purpose of praying if your wish may not be fufilled. God claims to provide for all his faithful followers and yet they are dying as we speak. What a pity.
Man do i wish i was a christian so i could throw my life away towards some religion that is most likley incorrect and is woven around things that conflict common sense. Not to mention Logic.
all prayers are granted? 
IS it really that simply, like telling it to a genie?