The wonderful thing about this country is that we allow idiocy. The bad thing about this country is that we allow idiocy.
So long as these idiots don’t hurt anyone directly. And that is where I go back to Gen. Petraeus.
I wonder at what time is this guy supposed to go thru with his inquisition of korans. Anyone knows? Nothing on the news about it…
On another note, have you noticed that while many moderates have come forward to criticize and condemn the gainsville inquisition, I don’t hear anything from Pat Robertson or Jeremiah Wright, or Louis Farakhan. I wonder if they consent this action.
And you haven’t heard a peep out of the republicans either. Where is Beck, Palin, Boehner, Gingrich and Steele? The haters have suddenly gone quiet.
GAINESVILLE, Fla. – A Christian minister in Florida is canceling plans to burn Korans on Sept. 11, heeding an international outcry that drew criticism from President Obama and religious and political leaders across the Muslim world.
Rev. Terry Jones of the Dove Outreach Center also said that the leader of a Muslim group that wants to build a 13-story Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero has agreed to relocate the center. The agreement could not immediately be confirmed.
Source: washingtonpost.com
See sometimes the Government/leaders/religious actually can do something right. Note this day folks , it won’t happen again for a thousand years
Kurt Vonnegut’s book Slaughterhouse-Five was burned by a janitor in a Drake, North Dakota school on orders from the school committee there. In response Vonnegut wrote this letter to the committee, objecting to the burning of his book.
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My novel Slaughterhouse-Five was actually burned in a furnace by a school janitor in Drake, North Dakota, on instructions from the school committee there, and the school board made public statements about the unwholesomeness of the book. Even by the standards of Queen Victoria, the only offensive line in the entire novel is this: “Get out of the road, you dumb motherfucker.” This is spoken by an American antitank gunner to an unarmed American chaplain’s assistant during the Battle of the Bulge in Europe in December 1944, the largest single defeat of American arms (the Confederacy excluded) in history. The chaplain’s assistant had attracted enemy fire.
So on November 16, 1973, I wrote as follows to Charles McCarthy of Drake, North Dakota:
Dear Mr. McCarthy:
I am writing to you in your capacity as chairman of the Drake School Board. I am among those American writers whose books have been destroyed in the now famous furnace of your school.
Certain members of your community have suggested that my work is evil. This is extraordinarily insulting to me. The news from Drake indicates to me that books and writers are very unreal to you people. I am writing this letter to let you know how real I am.
I want you to know, too, that my publisher and I have done absolutely nothing to exploit the disgusting news from Drake. We are not clapping each other on the back, crowing about all the books we will sell because of the news. We have declined to go on television, have written no fiery letters to editorial pages, have granted no lengthy interviews. We are angered and sickened and saddened. And no copies of this letter have been sent to anybody else. You now hold the only copy in your hands. It is a strictly private letter from me to the people of Drake, who have done so much to damage my reputation in the eyes of their children and then in the eyes of the world. Do you have the courage and ordinary decency to show this letter to the people, or will it, too, be consigned to the fires of your furnace?
I gather from what I read in the papers and hear on television that you imagine me, and some other writers, too, as being sort of ratlike people who enjoy making money from poisoning the minds of young people. I am in fact a large, strong person, fifty-one years old, who did a lot of farm work as a boy, who is good with tools. I have raised six children, three my own and three adopted. They have all turned out well. Two of them are farmers. I am a combat infantry veteran from World War II, and hold a Purple Heart. I have earned whatever I own by hard work. I have never been arrested or sued for anything. I am so much trusted with young people and by young people that I have served on the faculties of the University of Iowa, Harvard, and the City College of New York. Every year I receive at least a dozen invitations to be commencement speaker at colleges and high schools. My books are probably more widely used in schools than those of any other living American fiction writer.
If you were to bother to read my books, to behave as educated persons would, you would learn that they are not sexy, and do not argue in favor of wildness of any kind. They beg that people be kinder and more responsible than they often are. It is true that some of the characters speak coarsely. That is because people speak coarsely in real life. Especially soldiers and hardworking men speak coarsely, and even our most sheltered children know that. And we all know, too, that those words really don’t damage children much. They didn’t damage us when we were young. It was evil deeds and lying that hurt us.
After I have said all this. I am sure you are still ready to respond, in effect, “Yes, yes–but it still remains our right and our responsibility to decide what books our children are going to be made to read in our community.” This is surely so. But it is also true that if you exercise that right and fulfill that responsibility in an ignorant, harsh, un-American manner, then people are entitled to call you bad citizens and fools. Even your own children are entitled to call you that.
I read in the newspaper that your community is mystified by the outcry from all over the country about what you have done. Well, you have discovered that Drake is a part of American civilization, and your fellow Americans can’t stand it that you have behaved in such an uncivilized way. Perhaps you will learn from this that books are sacred to free men for very good reasons, and that wars have been fought against nations which hate books and burn them. If you are an American, you must allow all ideas to circulate freely in your community, not merely your own.
If you and your board are now determined to show that you in fact have wisdom and maturity when you exercise your powers over the education of your young, then you should acknowledge that it was a rotten lesson you taught young people in a free society when you denounced and then burned books–books you hadn’t even read. You should also resolve to expose your children to all sorts of opinions and information, in order that they will be better equipped to make decisions and to survive.
Again: you have insulted me, and I am a good citizen, and I am very real.
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So far there has been no reply.
Burn it.
I hope people don’t forget the lives and sacrifices of 9/11 and the hatred that inspired this whole mess to begin with. Sometimes we must fight fire with fire in order to keep the peace. This spread of Islam must be stopped. Muslims will never fit or assimilate into the west. They will never respect constitutional law or freedom of speech. These people only understand violence. Time to push them out the hard like bloody excrement. Let them spread their religion of hate, misogyny, and barbarity back where it belongs in the desert. Good riddance to them.
One more thing, I know God is on this pastor’s side. Western people should not roll over and allow a foreign, backward, zealot race of people to invade our lands, rape our children with their ideology, and convince us that their way of life is respectable or should be tolerated. Muslims practice stoning women, pooring acid on their faces, and pedophila. Need I say more? Get them out.
As Michael Moore, they hate us for our killing. We have killed and harmed millions of Muslims in the ME since 911. Was it worth it?
If your city was firebombed with horrible weapons containing DU and your children died or were born deformed as a result, how would you feel?
Do you think maybe it’s time for an end to this insanity, a time for peace and rapprochement?
On NBC Nightly News, the pastor was quick to point out the REASON for his conssession, which is that Iman Feisal Abdul Rauf had agreed to move his center to a different location. NOW, all of the sudden, this was his issue!!! You know what- let them folks in Indonisia, Afghanistan and Pakistan protest as they wish, because they have reason to protest based on the fact that now their religion is being blackmailed, korans held as ransom, and a freaking pastor of a fifty (under the best estimate) person church will have to be called to get his permission as to WHERE exactly they can build a mosque. This is the height of arrogance and I am pleased that as of now Iman Rauf denies such accomodation of this cracker…and I am sorry if that offends anyone, but in no other occassion I can remember has anyone so well enbodied the “redneck” spirit as this “pastor”.
Maybe the Administration will ask the Iman to move the mosque/center away from “Ground Zero”, not because it is illegal or wrong, but from practical considerations, as a favor in exchange for a federal “grant” perhaps, but that would be to treat the sympton and not the disease. For decades, the govt’s position has been that it does not deal with terrorists. Shouldn’t that apply to native terrorists as well as foreign ones???
I wonder what would happen if they went through with it. Salaam Rushdie received what essentially became a death sentence by the Iranian state, and a Danish cartoonist received at least three attempts against his life. I wonder if this congregation is prepared to have a bulls-eye painted on their backs. Those others were artist expressing themselves through art and look what it got them. These people are Christians burning the muslim’s holy koran because they think that Islam is the Devil. I just shows the absense of frontal lobe activity from these chumps.
Ahh come on Churro you are insulting we rednecks. How about just ignorant idiot? Or poster child for stronger birth control?
One more thing, I know God is on this pastor’s side.
Really? How?
Get them out.
Do you have a problem with the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution? You know, the part about religious freedom?
I just read an article that said that it was unclear if the “pastor” had halted the burning of korans indefinetly or just for Saturday. I think the answer is quite clear. The pastor never admits to the wrongness of his actions, but explicitly noted that it was under the conditions he took on the word of the florida iman, that the cultural center in Manhattan would be relocated.
The message on the wall is that so long as he gets what he wants, he’ll spare 200 korans. If for example the new location for the center does not satisfy him, he has not admited of any reasons for not burning then, as he would have had on Saturday, a couple hundred korans.
Is not like he has said: “I now see how burning other people’s sacred literature is wrong in itself.”

I just read an article that said that it was unclear if the “pastor” had halted the burning of korans indefinetly or just for Saturday. I think the answer is quite clear. The pastor never admits to the wrongness of his actions, but explicitly noted that it was under the conditions he took on the word of the florida iman, that the cultural center in Manhattan would be relocated.
The message on the wall is that so long as he gets what he wants, he’ll spare 200 korans. If for example the new location for the center does not satisfy him, he has not admited of any reasons for not burning then, as he would have had on Saturday, a couple hundred korans.
Is not like he has said: “I now see how burning other people’s sacred literature is wrong in itself.”
He’s a publicity junkie using blackmail to get what he wants, never mind the loss of life and the turmoil he’s already caused.
Let’s keep the dialogue civil.
This clown is toying with being charged with a hate crime. The DOJ will probably have a few things to say before this is over.
Will the the DOJ charge this fellow with a hate crime? I doubt it.
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Liten’ says,
Will the the DOJ charge this fellow with a hate crime? I doubt it.
Borderline, isn’t it? But there might be a bit of difference in advocating violence and the idiot who says he will perform it. All the idiots want their 15 minutes of fame…
Interesting that numbnuts is trying to blackmail Americans with his hate rhetoric. If they don’t move the Islamic center from ground zero, THEN I’ll burn the Koran. I realize than thuggery exists on a sliding scale, but this dippydoo plans on going out in flames of glory. I wonder what God plans to do with him? Is there a place worse than hell?
I must say this is a nice contradiction to all the craziness going on this week.
sacbee.com/2010/09/10/302014 … z0zBXT83wm
The World Peace Garden in Capitol Park has agreed to supply us with three dozen roses," said the Rev. David Thompson, president of the Interfaith Service Bureau.
“Afterwards the roses will be given to Muslim families,” Thompson said. “Whether or not the Florida pastor goes through with his scheme to burn copies of the Quran, we in Sacramento are hopeful of bringing cooperation and peace here as we try to undo the damage already done, to protect our troops and to affirm our Muslim brothers and sisters here in America and around the world.”
Non-Muslims will give seven readings from the Quran.
“The passages are chosen to show there are peaceful, wonderful passages from the Quran,” Thompson said.
Each reader will then place a rose on the Quran.
I certainly don’t equivocate the propriety of someone spewing hate rhetoric such as ‘killing crackers’ as opposed to burning a religious tome. Either action can spawn a retaliatory incident. Where one can incite a few activists, another can will incense and insult millions through a symbolic act of burning of one of millions of a certain book.
The same people who find it insulting that burning a single book doesn’t get just as angered concerning the thousands of deaths which was instituted from the religious beliefs that was interpreted as a ‘righteous act’ held with the words of the Qur’an, won’t condemn that heinous act. Granted a lot of the people who are getting mad in some of those regions don’t know how to read, they still view it as an infringement upon a life they hold dear.
When all they know is dissemintated through propaganda techniques by certain educated nefarious confederates, then they can only react with hate and fear. With all of this in mind it will further the agenda of those behind ‘terrorist attacks’ and will be supported by those who are insulted.
If the proposed Islamic Community Center is supposed to imbue tolerance and understanding, why can’t a Buddhist, Catholic, etc. Community Center be built in those Islamic countries that don’t allow other religious entities to exist there? This seems a bit one sided to me. Perhaps the Imam Rauf hopes that in the future community center such as this which is instituted in the US might effect others like it in Islamic countries?
I don’t approve of Jones under the auspices of Christainity finding this an acceptable action. It berates the Christian Faith and sets back all the efforts of those who try to sincerely want God to lead their lives. I also wouldn’t approve of a secular group wanting to do the same thing.
I don’t think the answer lies in humanity, but in God.