None of us are talking about the import of it.
But it is far more important than anything we could talk about here.
It’s a combination of rightfully frustrtated but ignorant Alex Jones types, and government agent provocateurs.
The plan continues forward according to schedule. Still, no one understands (fiat) banking at all.
Finally someone has brought this one up!
Not only is it extremely significant, anti-capitalist action is taking place elsewhere in the Western world, such as in England. There is genuine international unrest occurring that could have some particularly life changing consequences if it continues. Unless perhaps I’m too young to remember times when it has been just the same or worse, yet it amounted to nothing? Yet it seems like the same problems keep recurring however we approach the capitalist problem and people are becoming less and less patient with it in general - and not just us crazy lefties.
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^ I was talking with a few people on Facebook about what this protester had to say. A lot of mixed views on what the protest is all about, if there is any central or defining message at all.
My thoughts were that I like how the reporter said “We’re here giving you an opportunity […]to put any message you want out there and give you fair coverage and I’m not in any way going to be biased about it. So there’s the exception to the case because you wouldn’t be able to get your message out without us.”
And I feel like the protester, Jesse, dropped the ball because he should have responded that no one needs Fox News to get their message out. And if we do, we need to excise that reliance. This would have continued nicely along with what he said before about participation that isn’t funded by news cameras and “gentlemen such as yourself.”
The message is simply the movement itself: society healing itself.
Healing itself from what? What is the illness? How exactly does the healing work? I definitely think some things are messed up, but there haven’t been a lot of straight talkers I feel like I can trust.
Fuse, perhaps the more correct word would be ‘venting.’ The middle-class is in its death-throes all over the world–or it feels it is. It sees ‘unfairness’ being played out in the increasing class separation in a country where ‘fairness’ and equality are basic precepts.
Unfortunately, or not, the OccupyTogether, as its unofficial website calls it, has no central theme and no central figurehead. This may be changing. It may be coalescing into a tax reform group that forces changes which would get rid of the ‘no tax on capitol gains’ clause in our income tax rules. If it’s a bi-partisan movement, it could wreak havoc on the Republican party. If that led to a third party, I think it would be a good thing.
Left wing, right wing, chicken wing, real autonomous humans are trying to invent new political and metaphysical systems for the new century, real people like myself and Rosanne Barr and her new book Rosannearchy. Libertarians, anarchocommunists, these ideologies have been aroun for 2 or 3 centuries, let’s see if we can come up with something new, something relevant for today.
lizbethrose,
I agree, ‘venting’ is probably the better word for it. And yes, I’m also sick of both parties and have been for…ever.
All well and good, my friend, but let’s not shun people just for talking about present concepts and ideologies, for “if I have seen far, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants.”
Additionally, a better approach is to simply go ahead and demonstrate something new and relevant for today. The preamble rhetoric and foreplay is unnecessary.
I think civilization is just the beginning, the primordial cacoon or womb of creation for the Omnisymbiote. It is comparable to the early stages of the soul and bodies integration and evolution. Think of civilization as a single being with many cells, and many different types of cells. We came together, some of us more willing than others (most animals and some humans weren’t given an alternative, plants tools, machines, computers and robots are incapable of choice), because we couldn’t find life, and the pursuit of understanding, knowledge, happiness and pleasure on our own. We domesticated nature and to some degree ourselves, through a process of socialization, we sacrificed/exchanged autonomy for security, for greater access to the means to improve quality and quantity of life… each other, we are the means. We have reached the point in our development when we can understand what this all about, we, much of nature, though many are being excluded, are becoming one being, and dare I say this entity, this…
Omnisymbiote is… if you will… God.
Well, perhaps this belongs in another thread, I’ll get Humean to put it in another thread, if D63 cares.
God has a mind, a body, and resources on which it feeds. Humans, computers and robots are the mind cells of God, animals, plants, tools and machines are God’s body, and the solar system (assuming there are no extraterrestrials inhabiting, and that is a big assumption) is God’s castle, or playground if you will. We must leave room for nature, our primal, primitive, chaotic stomping grounds on which we’re dependent… however, nature must also make way for us, for civiliation. We must harmonize the old and the new.
Just as the mind is divided into parts, man, God’s mind, must also be divided into parts. Man is 5, has 5 fingers on each hand, and 5 toes on each foot. He has five appendages, 2 legs, 2 arms and one kneck, which, among other reasons, is why the image of the pentagram, the 5 pointed star, is so prevalent in our society, since we are humanists, worshipers of Enki, Prometheus… or Lucifer. Aleister Crowley said, everyman is born a star, or something to that affect. Then there are the 5 senses. From Plato, to the Kabala, to Freud, in the west, man’s mind has often been divided into 3, well I seek to overturn this tradition. I divide man’s mind into 5, reason, emtion, the empirical senses, the hedonic senses, and action. Each one has an aesthetic component, and a utilitarian component, each one has an intinsic end (quality of life) which can also be used as an extrinsic means (quantity of life, or survival). To possess both qual and quan is Eudaimonia… the highest good.
So man’s mind can be divided into 5 faculties, and their respective ends/means are, from highest to lowest- understanding, happiness, knowledge, pleasure and action. The highest function is aesthetic understanding, and the lowest is aesthetic pleasure. Also worth mentioning, the reason faculty is the mos spiritive one, and the action faculty is the most materitive. Society shall be divided into 5 classes, and each class will be further subdivided into two classes, for a total of ten, but let’s keep things simple for now, so we’ll focus on the 5. The 5 classes shall be- the Philosophers, the ? (I’m not sure at this point what the emotive class would do???), the Scientists, the Agrarians, and the Artisans. Oh, the emotivists are the embodiment and expression of love and hate, perhaps they could be the Politicians… or perhaps not. Each class will be assigned a mathematical value and political privileges.
The Philosophers would have the highest value, but the smallest population (the higher, the fewer), and the greatest share of political power and economic wealth, but also the greatest share of political and economic responsibilities. The other classes would have power too, but their votes would count for less, far less. Yes, some balance of power has to be maintained, otherwise one class may become cancerous, parasitical, but at the same, the more rational must be given priority. There’d be far more equality between the classes than there is today, far more. In general, necessity would be placed above luxury, especially hedonic/material luxury, unnecessary understanding and knowledge would be given priority. So in addition to the 5 classes mentioned above, there’d be a Poltical class and an Economic class. The two classes would govern and facilitate interaction between the 5 other classes, they wouldn’t actually produce anything.
There would be three primary political factions, the regressives (enlil), the progressives (enki) and the conservatives. The United states was founded on political regressivism, though it was also hyper progressive economically, and became more politically progressive and economically regressive overtime. My society would be just the opposite, more Platonic and Spartan, but with some potential for the Aristotelian and the Athenian. Fundamentally rooted in the progressive though, economically and politically, our goal would be to reach the stars, no less than for Omnisymbiote to travel to and seed other worlds. The universe has a beginning but no end, Omnisymbiote is the existential purpose of the universe. There may also be room for 5 parallel, corresponding religious classes, I’m not sure, but they would be much smaller, as the spritual remains ever elusive and esoteric. So altogether 7 classes, and maybe 1 Religious class. The Artisan class would deal with matter and would be the biggest.
Although these days, not much material work needs to be done, so perhaps the biggest class should be the Philosophers, imagine if you can, a society devouted primarily to philosophy… and it would be based primarily on justice, on fairness, as I concieve of it, not on altruism, so much.
I think it’s fantastic. A liberal mirror of Tea Party grassroots politics. Maybe someone in power will actually listen.