Is Ethics methodical enough? Building a good Ethical Theory

Let’s introduce some method into ethics – into ethical theory - thus perhaps attempting to make ethics into a bit more-relevant knowledge. Let’s actually do some philosophy here. I’m enlisting your cooperation in this project: it’s an open-source endeavor. The entire history of ideas leads up to it; I make no claim to originality here.

Ethics can focus on the moral agent or on the moral situation. The moral agent is a man or woman – or an in-between; let us here refer to this as the individual.

The individual has a self-concept. Every concept has (at least) three components: a designator, a meaning, and an application. In the case of the self-concept, the designator is the person’s proper name. The meaning is the individual’s self-image (self-identity, value-structure, principles, conscience, etc.) The application is the actual physical body, the capacities, and the conduct of the individual. This is a material aspect of the ethical situation.

Morality is here defined as a match (to some degree) between the material aspects and the self-image, when the self-image (the “Self”) is an ethical one, an enlightened one …that is to say, an empathic and compassionate one.

If the individual were a computer, to use an analogy, the self-image would be the software and the material aspects would be the hardware. Both need each other to function at all. The body needs the brain, and it needs health. A healthy brain will be a normal one.

Everyone, whether they will admit it or not, cares - at least for themselves. {They may do it in a disguised way which looks exactly like heroism or self-sacrifice or martyrdom.} Once one has figured out his/her true self-interest one does not care for oneself alone: one has a degree of caring for others. [See the discussion of this in Ethical Adventures: Topics of Moral Significance, by M. C. Katz, pp. 13-14.] http://tinyurl.com/38zfrh7

Self-concern is based upon human biology. We note that even a baby cries when it wants something for itself. Later, with maturation, ethical development may take place, and occasionally we get the wunderkind, a child that has been abused or neglected, and still turns out well - the individual shows his capacity for empathy, kindness and compassion - we see Ethical principle applied. In the sense that every human individual is an expression of human biology, in that sense it is “a universal aim.” Its being universal in no way undermines an appreciation of cultural diversity, nor does it recommend a “one size fits all” ethics. In fact, the Hartman/Katz ethical theory emphasizes, and encourages the practice of, individuality, autonomy, and freedom.

Let’s briefly analyze the term “freedom” which is one of the terms of Ethics, a coherent discipline providing relevant knowledge. We shall employ the tools of Formal Axiology, including its dimensions of value, for this analysis:
Systemic freedom is the freedom to think and be moral.

Extrinsic
freedom means freedom to move around, to move the limbs of the body, to have mobility, to travel, to relocate, etc.

Intrinsic freedom is freedom of conscience. This aspect of the Self was originally emphasized by the Intuitionists, such as Grotius and Pufendorf toward the end of the 16th-century. The conscience itself can be analyzed into the R-Conscience and the D-Conscience, that is, into the Reflective conscience and the Directive conscience. You will find the details about this HERE: http://wadeharvey.myqol.com/wadeharvey/A%20UNIFIED%20THEORY%20OF%20ETHICS.pdf - pp. 7-13.

A normal individual is increasingly moral in these respects: he or she is grateful in attitude, is reliable, and is truthful, generous, and is even at times - in some sense - heroic. This is how one grows in morality.

Well, I have given you enough to chew on. I’d love to hear your upgrades and improvements, comments, and questions. Please be constructive in your observations, as the point here is to construct a better ethical theory.

As some posters know, I’m somewhat into the idea of Artificial Intelligence, and the challenge of making it ‘friendly’, and I’ve recently realized the ultimate use, and test, of a theory of human ethics.

That test is, if it were to be encoded as the value system of an artificial intelligence, if the intelligence did things that humanity by and large didn’t want, the theory is not a good descriptor of human values.

EG one ethical theory is that it’s most moral to maximize pleasure. So what would an artificial intelligence do if it were encoded with that as it’s value system? Well, it would wirehead us, directly stimulating our pleasure-centers, putting us into a vegetative state of never ending orgasm. Maximize pleasure? Check. Desirable outcome?..

Is that what we want? No. Probably not. So that ethical theory is not a good descriptor of human values.

Many people really don’t care. Even about themselves, they treat their lives like crap. You see this especially in the health care debate where irresponsible obese slobs insist on the right to tax others to pay for their diabetic medication.

Some people are also desperate beyond belief and are willing to constantly go “all-in” over the pursuit of power. You see this especially in light of modern feminism and multiculturalism where women and minorities will deliberately behave like obnoxious brats over freedom of speech, pragmatism, putting the group before the individual, and emotions defining morality. They really don’t care. It’s either do or die trying. They’ll even deny free will as an excuse to claim you provoked them into violence if it gets bad enough.

Therefore, morality really has to deal with protecting the careful from the careless.

Very good, FJ,

You have just eliminated a contradictory set of ethical theories, namely, Hedonism. In its various forms, from the crude sensual indulgence in pleasures all the way up to its most-refined form in J.S. Mill - which teaches that intellectual pleasure is superior to mere bodily pleasures - and which thus arrives at its opposite, that is, “dialog with others, pursue the Socratic dialectic, care for others as well as yourself” and other recommendations of Mill’s approach is the opposite of the crudest variety of hedonism held by followers of Thrasymacus - a member of Socrates circle of discussants. Hedonism contradicts itself. Your AI made this apparent.

To quote your conclusion, “…that ethical theory is not a good (one).” Actually, it’s a whole group of ethical theories.

What could replace hedonism - which was already adequately discredited by G. E. Moore - would be a formal theory …one that defines its key terms as it goes along. What is needed is a formal frame-of-reference, such as the role that Geometry supplied for Optics.

Daktoria, I can see you’ve thought this through.

I’d like to add that, if we’re going to go for a descriptive theory of human values, rather than a prescriptive one, which I think is the only appropriate approach, then we have to do away with the idea that the true ethical theory is going to be a simple, one-paragraph aphorism. Human values are not simple. They are complex. It will not look like, “X is the final goal of humanity,” it will look more like an incredibly long list of relative values, some connected to each other, others floating as islands. It will be a mess, it will not be simple.

Thanks.

What do you think about it?

I was expecting responses like this; that is why I urged people to be constructive. Daktoria, you did get constructive towards the end when you say what Ethics has to deal with.

Do you have any suggestions as to how to “protect the careful”? And can you show how that fits into the definition of Ethics, as explained in the links below? For that would be very helpful. That definition, also given in the earlier threads What Is Ethics? and The Beautiful Simplicity of Ethical Concepts, by thinkdr, which have appeared here at the I LOVE PHILOSOPHY forum, is the one that sets a standard for the field if you agree with the substance of those threads.

It says: Ethics arises, as a field of knowledge, when one sees the individual as of uncountably-high value. This is a perspective. It is very close to what E. Husserl has dubbed “Intentionality.”

Daktoria, the first paragraph, well, nevermind, the second paragraph had some merit in that people do often try to put groups before individuals, I actually appreciated that part, because I wrote a thread on it, I’ll have to get back to you on the issue of people caring or not and address the OP.

The essence of ethics is the devotion to support every substructure within the whole. Such is a universal principle required by every form of existence.

Actually, thinkdr, I’m not sure my post disproved all of hedonism. I think it only proved that simplistic hedonism of the form that I posted is not enough. Hedonistic elements can most certainly be a big part of a good description of human value, but if they are, they just have to include a lot of caveats and elements added on top. It just has to be a lot more complicated than that kind of basic hedonism. Human values are not simple, that doesn’t mean that pleasure is not one of the most important values of humans, it’s just not the only value, and maximizing it without considering the other values fucks those other values over.

Jurgen Habermas’ “discourse ethics” is a good start.

The rule of law also tends to have moral ideas such as “duty of care”, “due diligence”, “due process”, and “procedural justice”.

Basically, the idea is to prevent negligence by holding people responsible for their actions. Only when people consent are others entitled to interact at will.

A good theory of ethics ought to be both, descriptive AND have some prescriptions for the good life, manely, it ought to generate some ethical principles.

We have a moral obligation to put into practice the Ethical principles derived in the Unified Theory, such as the one to MINIMIZE SUFFERING. This implies working to get rid of extreme destitution and misery when it makes people who have it unhappy. Many of the questions readers have are answered (tentatively) in the essays by Dr. Katz, linked to in the signature below, if only one would take the time to read them. Some answers are suggested, but the best answers are yet to come and will be supplied by you yourself. Upgrade the theory :exclamation:

Yes, I fully agree the topic of ethics is broad, and is complex.

There is a program for the future outlined in the writings (to which I give links in the signature below). We find there that the Hartman/Katz theory would eventually like to relate (to each other) concepts that belong to ethics, concepts such as happiness, peace, joy, compassion, empathy, altruism, benevolence, love, caring, morality, integrity, success, efficacity, self-development, kindness, inclusiveness, freedom, perversion, perversity, greed, immorality, psychopathy, tyranny, conformity, individualism, conscience, good life, etc., etc., because ethics is a big subject and all these are relevant.

Up till now Ethics has not been a discipline with relevant knowledge. The ethical system offered is striving to make it so, as it proposes in the first paragraph of the o.p.

In order to spur the discussion, it helps if folks have done their homework, so to speak, and have done the germane background reading. It is necessary to know the meta-ethics employed for a coherent theory of Ethics, in which the value terms: good, fair, bad, lousy, terrible, etc., are defined in a rigorous manner; in this one they are by Dr. Hartman. That too is included in the outside reading, and is too extensive to make a part of each post I write; yet it is prerequisite to everything, and provides the context to the points I make. It is not about me, of course, but it is about making Ethics more meaningful to the world at large.

One of my chapters provides tools for resolving ethical dilemmas. Another analyzes the human conscience. Another discusses how we essentially differ from other animals. Ethics - I totally agree - is a broad field, so ethical theory must be very powerful to even attempt to cover some of this vast array. Hence all my booklets and essays are to be taken together as a “package.” The package dos not even go in the history of the field that much. [size=85]{I’ll try to do some of that in a new thread I will initiate - as a way of adding more confirmation to the synthesis.} [/size]

One may begin to make ethics a part of one’s everyday life by deliberately asking oneself The Central Question , as worked out by Demerest and Schoof in their recent book ANSWERING THE CENTRAL QUESTION, as a way of showing how to practice ethics in situations.

Let’s not wait until the consistent Unified Theory of Ethics is complete before we live “the good life”, for it never will be complete …as Goedel proved no consistent axiomatic system can be.