Is modern civilization or human civilization in general immoral in how we treat each other?
Is modern civilization or human civilization in general just an active exercise in the prisoner’s dilemma?
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No, but there are as many moralities as there are people. Good morals are what happen when two or more people are in agreement about the meaning of phrases such as ‘shaking the hand is a nice gesture and a good thing’ and then proceed to shake hands. Good morality just happened. But that’s it. Shaking hands is neither good nor bad morals. Any such descriptions as good and bad presuppose an accepted set of agreements regarding what behaviors are called good and bad. Except for pain, everything else that is called good and bad depends on some kind of agreement… not on a discovery of some objective quality ‘good’ that exists independently of our judgment. Shaking hands and giving hugs is as devoid of meaning as kicking someone in the minerals. We have to get together and say, "NO! None of us will kick another in the minerals, and there is no exception to this. "If we’re lucky, we can then produce a world in which there are alternative solutions to kicking minerals, and nobody would ever want nor need to do so again. But as far as any of this is essentially good or bad… no, it’s all in our ‘way of life’, and there are no consequences beyond the results of violent disagreement (the practice of law enforcement) and death.
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Imo only about 15% of humans have a good heart. 75% have a mixture of good and evil and 10% have an evil heart.
From that 15% with a good heart, most of them are still too dumb to do the right things. So we are left with about 5% of humans who have a good heart and are smart enough.
That’s why this world is a joke. This world is irrelevant. Philosophy is also irrelevant.
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And where is your data source backing this up?
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Human civilization is 90% murder rape theft and evil, with the other 10% being sheltered under a dome of ignorance created by the other 90%. Why would it do that? Because the 10% of human nature/civilization that is not actually evil still represents most of the people, general population at large and the AI robots are not quite here yet so they still ‘need us’.
But don’t worry, all that will not last much longer. Soon the 90% evil can escalate as it wants to up to an asymptotic approach to 100%. The energy is building, they are getting ready. And nothing, as far as I can see, is stopping them (other than minor logistical considerations).
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I personally would like some more elaboration on some of these words.
What do you perceive to be moral?
What is the presumption? How do you think we are treating eachother?
No. The prisoner’s dilemma would presuppose waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much effort and intent.
It would mean that we are all actively deciding our role and path. It implies that we have a choice and agency in society, and so so much more.
Do we? Do you think you have the choice of picking the path where the story goes? Heck, i’d say that 99% of the time you dont even have the agency to tell where YOUR story goes.
Civil society is usually taken as the basis for how human beings act, which is the first mistake because its all a scam. We are just wild animals playing nice because all of our needs are met.
The moment that aint happening, we will be eating eachother on the streets.
You can go back as far as the “circus and bread” proverb, or pick VERY recent examples like the holodomor. Civilized society is an illusion born of excess. Nothing more.
If you want to find out how human beings and human society behaves, you need to level the playing field and return to the start of the story by treating humanity as what it actually is.
An animal.
What are the behavior patterns of the animal called Homo Sapiens?
And if you tackle the question from that very simple, biologist angle, you will suddenly see everything fall into place.
We ARE animals.
Every need we play out in civilized society are animal instincts.
Our lives revolve around the “four F’s”, the four primary instincts all animal life follows:
- self-preservation
- feeding
- reproduction
- territory/shelter
Everything from dating, to career, to owning things can be pushed under one of these 4 categories of instincts.
We are just chimps with enough ability and smarts to bulls**t even ourselves about who and what we are.
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The question is simple, is human civilization or society moral and ethical largely?
What percentage would you say it is or isn’t?
0%? 20%? 50%? 100%?
But in general terms, is human society or civilization moral and ethical?
How would one go about answering that question?
So, a majority of human society and civilization is a deceptive evil illusion within the constraints of those with power?
No, because civilizations can’t be moral or immoral. What you mean is ‘people’. Yes, these can be moral… which means ‘they judge actions they and others take as preferable or not’. But that’s all it means. It’s almost a stupid truism it’s so simple and over so quickly.
People or human beings for a majority are only as moral and ethical as their dictating environment allows them to be.
Concerning the artifice of society and human civilization as it exists now, is it moral or ethical from a social architectural point of view?
Is the social architectural foundation morally and ethically sound?
Is it socially engineered to bring about moral and ethical human social or existential interactions? Important questions to be asked.
Well I probably over-generalized the potency of evil with that 90% figure. Maybe it is closer to 50/50, who really knows. But the point is that even though the average person and MOST humans are not evil by nature, they live under the shelter of evil. Governments, corporations, the super rich, secret societies, these are the great evils of earth and that run the planet. Everyone else, the 99%, whether good or not is allowed to exist underneath those larger constructs of evil.
Soon, AI robotics will be sufficient to allow at least 75% of the population to be killed off, no longer needed for labor and consumption. Eventually that figure could get as close to 100% as they want it to. We have no say in any of it, none of us has power. That is what makes me laugh, everyone thinks they have some kind of power in this world. Politics is nothing but the lie that you have some power.
If you are not among that little exclusive group of super-rich, government leaders, business tycoons, secret society members or all the rest of that garbage evil filth then you have no power. Sorry to disappoint you. The power you think you have is an illusion given to you by those who have real power in this world.
They need you for now, but that time is coming to an end thanks to very advanced technologies. There is a new era approaching, an entirely new paradigm. Once things kick off there is no telling how it will go or turn out in the end, maybe divine intervention will help us out, maybe the evil fuckers will overestimate their technological power or underestimate things like random occurrences or chaotic effects of nature. Who knows, none of us has any clue. And that too is pretty funny.
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I will be generous and say 75-80% of the population is evil of malignant malice or selfishness by comparison. Only 20-25% of the population is good, moral, or virtuous.
Their technocratic or transhumanist cyber punk technological future dystopia can only be unlocked with an infinite power supply of energy at their disposal, without that their future ambitions is dead in the water. If that doesn’t work their next option would be intentional global depopulation, but if that is their only recourse where a majority of the rest of the world is aware of their plans then civilization collapse into total chaos will be the direct result of that.
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