Is IQ an illusion-

People talk about high and low IQ
but are IQ test rubbish as all they test is some arbitrary things which a culture values

i mean Einstein was meant to have a high IQ
but
let say a ghetto chicken thief a low IQ
one one point we value what Eistein did
but
devalue chicken thieving
but I bet Einstein did not know how to steal a chicken and not get caught
in a raw nomadic world of hunter gatherers Einstein would have been seen as a numb shit
and the theif as very intelligent
so IQ a measure of only what a culture values and not really “intelligence” at all-if there is such a measurable thing as “intelligence” any way

to say person A has a high IQ and person B a low IQ really says nothing about each ones “intelligence” as B most likey can do things A finds impossible or very hard to do to the same standard as B- ie steal chickens

ghetto chicken thief?

damn…there are so many chickens scratching up the ghettos that they are stolen?

say it isn’t so…

free the ghetto worms now!

-Imp

There are many things to be said about IQ. One of them is that I’ve estimated Colin Leslie Dean’s IQ at about 49, which puts him at about the cognitive capacity of a grapefruit.

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Sorry C L Dean, but that is just too funny! :laughing:

Having good grammar, syntax, and an all round knowledge is a pretty good indicator of intelligence: or if not, the whole of humanity could claim intelligence, and that’s not the case. :unamused:

thats all intelligence is… a claim.

it’s ironic how you generalize intelligence around things like good grammar, yet there is a comma splice and a misuse of a colon in the very sentence that articulated those claims :-s

the claim that IQ tests are culturally bias is not a new one. there is much circulation of the debate whether IQ is really a perfect method for comparing 2 minds vs their success in life. some ague that emotional tests are also required, some simply argue that the IQ test was made by a rich white aristocrat and as such, caters to his intelligences, not those of the entire population. things like a kid from Africa not understanding English grammar properly or not recognizing a familiar saying like “two peas in a pod” has already been accepted and as a result you will find new IQ tests claiming they have no culture bias.

…and you missed an ‘r’ in argue, and forgot to capitalise after full-stops, but I never pick at other’s spelling/grammar/syntax, :-" and was talking in generalities in answer of the thread.

I like to punctuate my sentences in my own style, but that’s just me! :wink: + I am actually intelligent, so I don’t actually ‘give a shit’ :imp:

There is a distinct difference between those with all-round knowledge, and those with limited - trust me on that one!

those with limited knowledge simply can be said to posses different knowledge.

(lol you argued for grammar as having bearing on ones intelligence, not me :wink: )

Different doesn’t mean useful, does it! [-X

I don’t believe I was arguing anything, but gave my view-point on the matter…

as did i. your opinion contained an assertion, and i replied as such =/

different dosent mean not useful does it [-X

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We’ll leave nature to sort that one out, shall we? :wink:

naa, i prefer philosophy :laughing:

I could philosophise all I want on the matter, but that wouldn’t prove that what I am saying is valid - so where philosophy ends: nature takes over and verifies any claims!

:-s generally you try to philosophize validly. philosophy is not proof, it is logic and reason. where one philosophy ends, another begins.

the “let nature verify things” method of logic is formally known as science.

that aside, you claimed that if something is different, that fact does not affirm usefulness.

my counter-argument was that something different is not necessarily not useful.

the point of which was to maintain that different knowledge can be as good, equal to or better than “not different knowledge”.

that being said… a rich man will starve on the streets, whereas a vagabond will most likely be comfortable.

a vagabond will perish in financial worlds like credit and taxes, whereas the rich man is well greased to cope.

different does not mean not useful. we don’t have to wait for nature to decide this because it already has. :slight_smile:

Yes it is.

If all knowledge is relative( Which I certainly believe it is) how exactly do we make a form of judgement on people’s IQ?

as i’ve said before we cant, we can only compare them using questions designed to play to the universal attributes deemed logical.

if we could do that then it would be great even so, but the problem is the rich white guy that determines which attributes are universal can never do so successfully.

all we have left is a bias method of categorization.

Erm, Ok - I get your point of view, but I still have mine! Thanks for sharing yours with me…

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