Is the Will to Power also a Feeling (like the "feeling of free will")?

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Hm well I’d imagine that his language is poetic (rather than epistemological) when he speaks of freewill that way. He likely means the power to push back all prohibition against him. It is a glorious feeling. If you have ever committed crime under the jurisdiction of your own most philosophically honest convictions… when you KNEW you were justified in your crime… when not even a court of gods could contest what you had done… well, that, sir… that is a power and feeling to behold.

You may be better suited to take residence among the fenced in law abiding rabble, though, if this seems unreasonable to you.

Anyway, I’m fairly sure being an avid reader of N, he didn’t believe in a metaphysical freewill. If he did, he’s smart enough to no longer do so after a ten minute convo with me.

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That crown broke your brain. Or maybe it was the dyslexic zombies. If you knew you were justified in your convictions, you would not call them criminal.

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Mincing words is such a chore. A necessary condition for something to be criminal is that it is illegal. A sufficient but not necessary condition for something to be considered criminal is that it is morally reprehensible.

But moral reprehensibility, unlike what is illegal, is a dubious matter. If enough are in agreement about what is morally reprehensible, they may agree to speak metaphorically and call the transgressor of their morality a criminal just as the transgressor of the law is criminal. ‘Criminal’ is used just a figure of speech in such language. Shirley a man who, say, has a chronic lying problem isn’t a real criminal. Immoral, perhaps, but that depends on a bunch of philosophical stuff.

No really… did I just have to explain this to you?

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You’re like the Tasmanian devil of Philosophy.

I’m just going to stand still while you wig out over there, and re-put what you said:

JURISDICTION…YOURS. Once again. You would not have called it a crime. And if you didn’t believe in free will, you would not have called it your crime.

I’m gonna let the dyslexic zombies have you at this point. You need to start over with a new brain.

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They CHOOSE the definition that suits their objective - self-abnegation. Maintenance of innocence.
They freely CHOOSE not to correct their adopted definitions, no matter what alternatives are offered…like starting with the act of will, to which ‘free’ is a qualifier.

The do so and then speak and act in contradiction, like bragging…
If they have no free-will, what the fuck are they bragging about?
It was all determined. No?
:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Are they bragging about being fortunate enough to be selected, chosen, to be superior?
:rofl:
HA!!!
Are they proud of being chosen, by fate…god, the determining cosmos, to be so clever?
Who were these judges that had a choice?
Who determined their “philosophical jurisdictions”?

Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Unable to read the environment, the risks, the probabilities, is not the mark of intelligence.

Negr…, ahem…I mean blacks are full of uncontrolled spontaneity.
Prison is full of 'em.
Postponing gratification is not an option. They are weak.

The perverted parasite failed to consider the host’s reaction to his ‘well-intentioned’, sperm fueled, spontaneity.
It protected its weakest member…from his…
He cannot relate because he does not identify with the host’s objectives…nor humanity.
But only with narcissistic anarchist perverts, presumably.
Plenty of those on-line.
If every well-meaning pervert kidnapped every troubled teen, then chaos would rule the land of the brave, home of the un-free.

Choice is the issue…choice.
Choices must be considered carefully before they are converted to actions.
Being a narcissist prevents the accurate evaluation of yourself, relative to what resists your free-will.
Cynicism cannot protect you from yourself.

You have a choice…and so do others.
You act…others react.
Cause…effect…

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Furthermore, I shall restate:

A counter-obligatory imperative is no imperative at all.

— Augustine of Hippo
(my translation, using deontic logic terms)

Once the dyslexic zombies are done with your brain and it respawns, I need a tutor. Don’t worry, I won’t violate your consent.

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“You would not have called it a crime.”

No, because I’d be a liar if didn’t. Again: if something is illegal, it is a crime. Do you understand that?

“And if you didn’t believe in free will, you would not have called it your crime”

When your lap dog shits on the floor, why do you say, “Look what you did!” when the dog has no freewill and the shit can not be called his?

(see what i just did there. Stare at my question like you’re staring at a page from W’s PI. Now you’re all befuddled. Take your time.)

Freewill has nothing to do with anything. It is a completely nonsensical concept.

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These recovering Abrahamics complain about cosmic determinism, like Christian’s bitch about god’s will.
Even their bitching is god’s will, so nothing to feel ashamed of.

Pedophiles would use similar arguments…as would necrophiliacs, rapists, murders, thieves…degenerates of all sort…not them. It was all determined, including their bitching.
Can’t stop because it was determined.

Existence is a comedy…and so they become cynical.
What absurdity does god, I mean the cosmos have in store for us now?
Can’t do anything about it…just wait and see.

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How would a man who is sick of life go about nullifying life, without killing himself?
Too afraid to live; too afraid to die.
He would choose a definition of life that would nullify it - nothing in existence could live up to his absolutist definitions of life.
Life msut be eternal, for it to be caleld life - all else is an illusion.
He would not create the definition but CHOOSE one already made.
Nothing is alive because it cannot meet their CHOSEN criteria; chosen precisely for this reason.
They will CHOOSE not to change their definitions, intentionally remaining true to the one that leads to their objective…the negation of life.
They will refuse to begin with a perceptible act, but remain stubbornly true to their CHOSEN metaphysics, that negates what is physically present.
They will claim that nobody can sufficiently explain - in their selectively stringent criteria - what life is, nor how it evolved, from lifeless matter, therefore it isn’t real, they will say.
All theories are equally valid, and so they CHOOSE the one that serves their objectives.
Life must be immortal otherwise it isn’t life, they will say.
Life must have cosmic meaning/purpose, otherwise it isn’t life.

They will ignore their senses…because it is all an illusion, imagining occult forces behind the spectacle…Mysterious forces lurking behind their absolutist requirements.

Harmless you say?
Well, look at this specimen, and what it has done to its own life.
Unable to accept the slightest responsibility, it repeats the same behaviors, claiming some mysterious force is in control…and he has no chocie but to do as it compels him.

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Hey Sigmund Fraud, relax for a minute.

“Take your time”

Okay, put your pencils down. Now you see that the reflexive pronoun ‘I’ or ‘self’ is just a necessity of grammar. We quite simply can’t speak to a thing without addressing it as an ‘it’, as a subject, as a thing that has properties and isn’t just a collection of properties instead.

But as N so skillfully put it… when we say ‘the lightning struck’, we talk about a thing that’s doing something. But there isn’t some thing that expresses itself by striking as lightning… some thing behind the lightning that could have done otherwise or not stuck at all. There’s only the action of the striking. The doer and the deed are the same. Similarly, i am not something that had the freewill to not commit some crime. I am, in fact, only that crime in that moment… the whole event blinking briefly into existence and then into a meaningless history stretching infinitely backward. I’m not even sure you can handle the truth, S. I so wanna hang out, play backgammon, drink some midgrade greek wine, and talk about white supremacy with you, but that wouldn’t last for long before i started to stare blankly into space and rock back and forth slightly whispering some unintelligible sound of vexation. I’m just too smart to be happy or pretend to be having fun for long when i know everything is meaningless. It’s like we’re all already dead, just not dead yet. Like, if you were going fast enough past us, we would have died long ago and be gone forever already. It’s just fuckin sad man. Nobody aksed for this.

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Yyyyup.

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Now you see me.

camouflage

Now you don’t.

a) neutral appearance

—does it exist?

b) camouflage (what is the reason for divine hiddenness?)

—consider: patience, mercy

c) revelation (what if you’re not asking, seeking, knocking?)

—consider: judgment on heads/firsts (to the merciless), mercy on tails/lasts (to the unrecognized)

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If this is something you’ve copied out of a Dianetics brochure or one of those cute little handbooks written by some indian swami philosopher who never made best seller, I’m not interested. It’s got all the tell tale signs of it.

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More legit than saying the doer and the deed are the same, y’counterfeit.

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Will the real Brain please stand up?

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Back to the same routines.

Your choice.

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Whose choice? Whose routines?

What are the alternatives to the routines?

What are your routines/traditions and alternatives?

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“More legit than saying the doer and the deed are the same”

Quite the contrary. My reductionalist materialist account of identity is shared by a lot of pretty smart dudes.

For a more generous account of this matter, see the Peter Hacker’s Mind Body skit on youtube. He’ll take you on the full tour of your problem and then leave you with Aristole where the buck stops.

“Back to the same routines.”

Yeah, you go back, Jack, do it again. Wheel turning round 'n round

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A choice is evaluated by the chooser, relative to his expectations.
Consequences compared to expectations - degree of error.
The error is always on the acting agency - the will, freely choosing an option, guided by an objective.
Most of it subconscious. We are continuously making willful choices.

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Way to backpedal.