Is this Mexican American Cultural Studies Book Racist?


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What is the point of making a Ethnic Social Studies book if the end, default result must be everyone’s history is liberal, and we are all culturally carbon copies of one another, just different tints, and that we Myst celebrate our diversity while ignoring any actual differences.

It doesn’t occur apparently to many of these leftists Mexico generally sucks balls. Its like, the worst country in Latin America, they used to sacrifice people like in the picture above (not from the textbook), is run by drug lords, deeply impoverished and sucks in just about every way possible. There is a reason why we have so many Mexican-Americans, and it is precisely because Mexico is the most backwards nation in the Western Hemisphere. They should call the book “We Made It!”

ROFL, clearly you as even the authors of that text have never spent time with Mexicans . They are some of the most adaptable humans alive. They are also not one single society. Illegal Immigrants that cross the border are thought of as Mexicans but, the majority are from South America.

Indeed, Turd! We must build a wall posthaste, or soon it will be our women spread prostrate on the alter facing imminent disembowelment at the hands of exotic bloodthirsty bare-chested men in headdresses. We can’t let that happen. Build the wall now. Mexico is a scourge and Mexicans are dangerous, savage people. A country and culture like ours with no history of comparable atrocities should not allow itself to be tainted by that nation of pure scum to the south.

First off K, no Mexicans are from South America, as Mexico is in North America. Secondly, I was born in San Andreas, California, had a Mexican godfather, am Catholic myself, had to attend Spanish classes at Yuba City as a small child, my first best friend was one. I also returned back to California for a few years, and had to deal with the absurd phenomena of having all my white, Asian, and black guards have to apply for a expensive bullshit California Guard Card, turning many away, while being tossed a shitload of undocumented illegal aliens to guard shit repeatedly… where was their two month long background check we had to go through? Do you know how hard it is to retain legal employees, and train them up, when the boss can go out and pick up a pack of Mexicans in a half hour and inform you they are making up your shortages, deploy them… make sure they are instructed. I recall one could barely talk English, he rushed up to me after I placed them by the tunnels, cold… he wanted to know what was taking so long to open up the kitchen, so he could wash dishes! Had a stampede happened, they wouldn’t if even been aware they were security guards, and I could if been jailed. That is how it is universally across California.

Now K, I want you to apologize to all the South Americans on the internet for calling them Mexicans.

And UPF, great news! Your shitheaded attitude, and those like you, are the prime reason why Trump is in thevracec and will most likely clinch the presidency! Its because of you you fucking idiot. Pat yourself on the back for being a shithead your whole adult life, plying bad and irresponsible rhetoric… that wall never would of been built without A-Holes like you… and that’s a certain fact. I can already hear Trump saying “The Wall Just Got Higher” in response to people exactly like you. Cause & Effect. Thats why we are where we are politically, your hubris and lack of long term political awareness.

She said the majority of illegal immigrants are from South America not the majority of Mexicans

You’re right it’s my attitude that’s responsible for Donald Trump’s popularity (oh wait, i thought it was Obama’s fault - now i’m confused). In any case, at least YOU can sleep soundly knowing that when you say things like this:

  • you are not in any way contributing to the anti-Mexican sentiment that inspired Trump’s wall and the many millions of votes that wall has earned him.

i love how Republicans blame Obama and liberals and the Washington establishment - and now me(!) - for the ascendency of Trump - even though neither Obama, nor any liberal, nor the Washington establishment, nor i, have ever in any way supported, promoted or condoned anything about Trump - and then you ask these same Republicans who they are going to vote for, and - surprise! - they tell you Trump. It’s like they’re saying “it’s Obama et al’s fault that i’m an angry, gullible white person who finds Trump’s xenophobic rhetoric and schoolyard insults (not to mention brazen lies, fantastic fabrications and shameless hypocrisies) so immensely gratifying. Thanks Obama for making me a dumbass. I used to be a normal, rational voter until they elected you, you mulatto son of a bitch, now just look at what I’ve become! [puts on ‘Make America Great Again’ baseball cap]”

It’s actually pretty amusing.

It always comes down to racism, despite the Democrats being the racists.

Explain this:
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Its the dialectic, you embrace bad policies, you directly contribute to an equally ferocious and opposite reaction. Its always known, liberals should grasp this more with their emphasis on language games “Oh… we don’t say that, it will offend others”… why would it matter unless their could be a counter effect? Trump is your baby, he is your counter effect. You made him possible.

Nah, what it comes down to is the total inability of the GOP and the right-wing more generally to accept personal responsibility for the consequences of their rhetoric and obstructionism for the last eight years, alongside the total unwillingness of the average Trumpster to accept any personal responsibility for their own life problems. It’s SO much easier to blame Obama and the liberals since the FOX News/talk radio echo-chamber has already been doing that since day one of his first presidential run. It’s pretty basic, you get your news and information everyday from a couple sources that are constantly and incessantly blaming people you already dislike for everything that’s wrong in the country and the world, and you can’t help but begin parroting - and in due course believing - everything those couple of sources tell you. i mean, it’s so easy to believe, given that it exonerates you from responsibility for all the shitty decisions you made that led to your shitty life situation (voted for Bush twice, now i can’t afford the mortgage i never should have taken out, or auto payments on the pickup truck i never should have purchased, or school tuition for the kids i never should have had, or alimony payments for the ex-spouse i never should have married). But it’s not my fault, it’s Obama’s fault - even the media says so (or at least the limited segment of media i actually expose myself to). Classic brainwashing. Trump sees this (legions of brainwashed Americans full of rage at the liberal scapegoats and strawmen presented to them on a platter by the conservative media machine) and he capitalizes on it by simply following suit. That’s the thing, nothing Trump is saying is new! Rush Limbaugh, Bill O Reilly, Hannity and their many imitators throughout the media have been saying ALL THE SAME SHIT for decades already! Since well before the Obama administration was even a twinkle in the DNC’s eye. There’s a reason Trump ran as a Republican and not a Democrat, and it’s NOT because he’s a free-market social conservative.

It’s pathetic, but totally expected. And now, as a matter of course, we have Trump. Or should i say No-Nuts-Donald.

And claiming Central America is North America. Obviously never studied about the American continents.

Mesoamerica is indeed part of North America, anything north of the Isthmus of Panama… it was largely already formed prior to the joining of the two continents.

Anything else K?

Which by your own explaination makes it most definitely Central America

Yes, but central America is within the boundaries of North America in the same manner North England is.

Meso-America has been connected to North America for several hundreds of millions of years. If you really want to nitpick, you can say half of Meso-America isn’t geologically North America, as the southern half is a creation of the Caribbean Plate and Pacific Plate clashing, but this was always stuck to North America. But by thus definition we would gald to exclude half of California from North America, Vancouver, include half of Island and even some of Scotland.

What really defines North America, besides the sciences stemming from Geology, is the historic process of naming and identifying what us what, chronologically from early to late. For the United States, we have to look to the philosopher Hakluyt at Christ Church:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hakluyt

He is one of the most important philosophers in American History, for the simple fact that he advocated for our creation, and carried the politics through, from long study of Portugese and Spanish efforts, joining diplomatic missions, writing tractates (well, one done twice) on Aristotle’s Politics, pushing Queen Elizabeth to continue Queen Mary’s expansionary imperial policy (yes, Catholic England started it, contrary to popular belief).

Virginia was our first permanent western colony, the Bahamas as a accident if getting lost in a storm. There was previous efforts North in Nova Scotia, ultimately resulting in some seasonal fishing villages (Canada celebrated it’s 500 year anniversary a while back).

We’ve always treated the areas within the thick of Spanish control as something other. We (Colonial British) established colonies in Guatamala, laid siege to Bogata (first time American troops deployed overseas, went very, very badly for our Royal American forces by the way), a successful colony in South America (British Guyana, new a national guard guy, a ethnic Indian living in NY, from there, looked just like Zinnati, nearly failed basic because of him, had to lug his ass Ten Miles connected to my rucksack. He figured I was the strongest marcher, so got next to me, the SOB).

Also took some Caribbean Islands.

The troops very rarely mixed from North America and the Caribbean, and next to never South America to North America, save for some detachments, such as George Washington’s Brother. Spanish likewise differentiated, but also had land claims up to New Madrid (Iowa I believe) and to Montana… they very sparsely settled this. Mexico as we call it was part of their view of North America.

We never predicated it on the basis of race, who belongs where, because the territory was mostly inhabited by Indians, and colonies could he rented out (Brandenburg did this), sold, traded, or quickly conquered, and given back upon treaty or kept (Magsj’s Island was formerly French).

We don’t declare Haiti as Africa cause it’s black, and the Dominican Republic because is us Hispanic as South America. We identify it by the combination of the facts of geology, historical chronology of how people viewed it as it evolved, and consider suppositions if Manifest Destiny (US has a right to conquer the west, Argentinians right to conquer the Falklands, British the right to Fuck with everyone, Spanish and Portugese claims to right of colonization due to a arbitrary line drawn by the Pope, Dutch rights to conduct trade on the high seas line by the Pope be damned (see Hukluyt’ ideological relation to Grotius).

If we go back to Hakluyt, we don’t say colonization of North America is North America because it is Anglo-Saxon in it’s conquest… the people don’t make the geographical entity, but rather contribute to something that already is. He justified the conquest of the America’s on the basis of the Danes conquering the East Coast of England… where the Dane Law ruled didn’t automatically mean geographically those parts of England were part of Danish Europe… doesn’t work that way. They brought laws, what we call culture, ideologies… but were cross conquered in return by the British, and the Danes adopted many if the customs of the British, and intermarried, submitted to English authority (to the extent Feudalism allowed). England, we Myst note, was always England geographically, just as Italy was always Italy south of the Alps despite the Lombard invasion or Byzantine holdings in the south. Corsica isn’t part of mainland France despite French occupation, Gibralter remains part of Iberia despite the British, Ceuta is part of Africa despite Spanish holdings.

We do this because we have a “map sense” of locations prior to cultural affinity, and our sense of laws and foreigners comes from traditions that predate us, in the long conduct of the interrelations of states. What makes international conduct right or wrong isn’t based on some confused concept like Dasein, but rather on our ability to process these diverse forms of knowledge. Prior to the objectification of maps, as increasingly accurate maps, and of geology into a science, and the philosophy of history paying more and more attention to Theory of Mind paradoxes, we’ve largely eliminated the earlier era of ignorance of not knowing what takes precedence. We can fairly highly calculate in advance who uis justified to occupy what based on claims, and process these claims through international courts, such as what is happening in the Spartly Islands with China snatching them and militarizing the islands. This helps us reduce wars, and both parties can provide their evidence before a panel of judges to look over competing claims. The ability to judge this is known through the history of claim making and reactions resulting in wars claiming rights and injustices through history.

I understand the liberal knee-kick response here is to say something foolish like “well, we know conservatives (why conservatives?) don’t see Mexico as part of North America”, but this is not only factually incorrect, but racist in and of itself. I’m not a Conservative, I’m a paleo-conservative, I look back to the founding fathers and am not impressed with the so called current conservative movement… however, I can tell you, the educated members largely know many of the aspects of the above, while the dumber ones don’t know, don’t care, aren’t even aware. I think it’s rather obvious there are far more racists in the Democratic Party than the Republicans by default, almost all the politics on the left revolve around race and ensuring racial agitation, white Democrats live in intense isolation from Blacks, segregating their neighborhoods and parties into White Democrats and Black Democrats.

I’m not even a Republican, Im Independent, gave Bernie a very fair chance to make a stance (can’t commit to a commie bastard though), but I’ve lived in mixed race neighborhoods most of my life. I don’t need mist of the hysteria on the left involving race, because it’s largely a non issue for me… when it becomes a issue, it’s mostly at the annoyance of being assumed I’m a racist because I’m introverted and not running around hi giving every black person around when they show up. I don’t do that with white people, look at how I act before you judge, not the color of my skin. I am a member of the most diverse religion on the planet, I study international history and international philosophy, but still have to explain to nitwits like UPF or Smeras who see a criticism of another country as evidence of racism. Everything I’ve said is completely correct… Mexicans might not like being called the worst country in the Western Hemisphere… may try to point at Guatamala or another nearby nation, but I can justifiably make my point, on a educated basis in doing so. Having knowledge and the capacity to lodge criticism isn’t inherently racism… you have to add a racist element to it for it to be so.

Which lies at the core of the issue of thus thread. I wouldn’t advocate this text, because from what I see I am not impressed, but would largely be opposed to teaching it as a independent middle or high school course in the first place. I never took a German American course, or Scots Irish, etc… that’s what dominates the Ohio Valley here. What us the Irish experience in America? What does it mean to be Irish American?

My response is our colleges suck, and our students we send to them suck, and we should spend more time studying sciences or math so our students can compete… you want to know about being Irish or German, buy a fucking book and read it on your own time, go visit a few historical sites. I honestly don’t care to celebrate Mexican heritage over that of anyone else, or appreciate them over anyone else. Its America, everyone us from somewhere, I am that kind of guy who learns these very things, but I’m a specialist philosopher, and will be dambed if I get brainwashed by liberals again on how to think. Al Gore did that to me as a kid with the weekly readers we had to read in elementary school regarding global warming and pollution, it runs purely off programmed hysteria now… most everyone on the left knee jerk connects climatic change to pollution since the industrial revolution, which any geologist can laugh at… climate change has been happening for millions if years, no amount of alchemy will change it from getting colder or hotter, the earth does it’s own damn shit independent of us, and our contributions as miniscule to the direction it already was heading. Even if we died off, it would still change. Even if we never existed it would still change. Im not exactly welcoming this reprogramming for cultural awareness… think they are just trying to create further “Hispanic Awareness” into a privledge voters bloc, who’s history coincidently aligns with Democratic Party Principles, and all political correctness inevitably points at smashing every mention of Hispanics, be it region or culturally or ethnically, as racist at the mere mention of criticism if the statement doesn’t immediately kiwtow to the Democratic Party’s Outlook.

Mexico us a deeply fucked up country. Any real attempt to make a book on thus subject actually comes out far worst sounding to Democratic Ears that what this book produces. Like, it is a seriously fucked up nation… Mexico Sucks Ass. Mexican Americans fled that shit… so unless the book us gonna focus solely on Tex-Mex recipes and a few galleries and singers, it us gonna be a offensive and atrocious text, cause that is exactly what Mexico is. Don’t believe me, then move you Ass to Mexico to experience the joy of living south of the border.