Is Trumpism Fascism?

Reflections on Leon Trotsky’s “Fascism: What It Is and How to Fight It”

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Depends on who you’re asking lol….. labels are sort of thing about being here… alive… on the earth …. But pull them back and what is he really?

Trump is turning MAGA into fascism as part of his ongoing attempt to demoralize and de-legitimize the political right. It is only the political right in America that really stands in the way of their plans for technocratic control over the world. Trump is accomplishing a two-pronged attack on the political right: on the one hand he is demoralizing and de-legitimizing them to strip them of power and will, and on the other hand he is shepherding them into the technocracy by bringing in people like Thiel and Musk, aligning the political right / GOP with DARPA-linked big tech and the military industrial complex. That doesn’t even count how Trump pushed the first genuinely transhuman technology onto the world with operation warpspeed.

They are hitting the problem from multiple direction at once, waiting to see which side crumbles first. It has become clear the political right in America has fractured, some are following Trump into fascism and willingly becoming Nazis, others retain some of their intellect, dignity and principles and are separating from MAGA to avoid becoming like that. The only reason Trump had so much support to begin with was because there was no other option than him. Most of the GOP has been infiltrated and co-opted into the globalized transhuman system otherwise known as neoliberalism and the democrat party. Bribes, payouts, threats and eliminations are all used. Only Trump seemed truly able to fix the situation, and we now know that he was a plant from the very start. His job was to rally all the support from the political right, get them believing in “winning”, and then stab them in the back so effectively they would never again post a threat to the system. Gaslighting his way around the problems he was elected to address and resolve, including government over-reach, corruption, all sorts of human rights violations, government over-spending and debt, warmongering and the military industrial complex, big tech and big media abusing the people, and failure to adhere to the Constitution. He was elected because people thought he was going to fix all that. Very foolish. But hopium is a powerful force indeed.

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Unlikely, and here’s why. The bourgeois lobbiests that control the market are too numerous in number and engaged in too much competition with each other to ever allow a U.S. administration to inact a genuine fascist state. That’s to say, a president will never be able to appease them all and so will always be subordinate to the liberties of the biggest bourgeoisie as they battle it out in the market. They’re simply too big and powerful to come under state control. That’s the flip-side of the capitalism coin. The bigger it gets, the harder it is for government to control property and the market. Lol imagine the Don trying to tell Musk or Bezos what they can sell and for how much. The fascists are those with hegemonic control of the market, not the politicians. They answer to the the capitalists.

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Very true. And there are certain elements among the capitalists who would benefit from a civil war type scenario. They might shape it, limit it in certain ways. Likewise, the government is never going to control the capitalists ever again, that ship has sailed. Politics no longer even exists, it has become pure image. That is something both sides of the ‘political aisle’ do not grasp yet. They are not cynical enough to see the truth about it.

I generally agree with you that the system will keep on going, for the purposes of its continued expansion and generating profits for the capital owners. But keep in mind they have plundered and corrupted the system so much by now, it is becoming very hard for them to sustain. Like with the dollar’s gradual demise, the rise of dedollarization and BRICS. They will be looking to reset the system at least economically, and in a way that does not too much disturb their transhuman technocracy plans. I am not sure what form the reset will take, in all likelihood they have a playbook with lots of possible scenarios to make sure they are prepared for anything. But regardless of how that plays out with collapse, reset, even war, the eventual end point is intended to be the same (absolute technocratic control) and I think you are right it has to do with the bourgeois lobbyists and capitalists. Politics is a smokescreen and makes a lot of noise to keep everyone distracted. Yet every politician takes his orders from some fatcat uber-billionaire who he himself takes orders from the small group of trillionaires hiding in the shadows. This is just the way the world is, sadly. I can’t see it changing any time soon. The power of amassed capital is too mesmerizing for the average person, as most people will gleefully sell their soul and their lives and their freedoms and their futures if they are quoted a high enough dollar amount.

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No one thing controls the markets.they fluctuate dependent on many factors. Free markets are as imaginary as free will.

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@ProfessorX

Simultaneously as all of that is going on democrats are becoming full blown Trotskyists.

As a revolutionary Stalinist I am finding myself surrounded by two groups of assholes I do not like, democratic liberal Trotskyists on one side, Zionist technocratic hyper material capitalists on the other.

Quite frankly if these two sides slaughter and kill each other I would describe that as a win. The more these idiots take each other out the better the world will be for it.

What is true enough is that this nation is on the verge of economic financial collapse and civil war. Being that I despise both political parties in this nation my plan is to simply wait it out and let these idiots fight it out as neither side is worth fighting or dying for.

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@promethean75

The capitalists in the west are controlled by that affiliation the World Economic Forum, it is that group of assholes the runs and manages the entirety of western nations including the United States.

It is a very organized international criminal syndicate operated by international technocratic capitalists. Until that organization is challenged nothing changes.

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@ProfessorX

This why democracy always fails and collapses throughout history, fatal terminal corruption.

It’s clear we need an enlightened dictatorship to save the idiotic masses from themselves.

The masses of humanity are prone to self injury and self destruction, they need an intellectual movement to save them from themselves. An organization that actually cares about them and wants to protect them away from more predatory nefarious groups of people who only care about exploitation.

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Those democratic liberal Trotskyists I was talking about earlier.

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Not a bad way to look at it. And most people are somewhere in the middle and will be “riding it out” too, although probably becoming very poor in the process.But I don’t see this civil war becoming like the previous one. Most people today are too lazy and couldn’t be motivated to participate beyond scrolling social media.

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Yes, the enlightened dictatorship needs to be paired with an intellectual movement, even an ideological-religious vision. That causes reverence and mutuality, keys to social cohesion over time. And hopefully helps people care about something more than materialism.

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@ProfessorX

There will be starvation conditions eventually, hungry angry people with food riots and eventually the electricity turned off.

That’s how bad I see things getting eventually, just a matter of when.

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Yes, this could happen. Obviously I hope it doesn’t, but it’s not like we have any control of it. And American society is way too over-specialized and not enough redundancies created. Everything relies on bottlenecked and very fragile systems like the internet, gas and water lines, sewage systems, just in time supply chains, or the electric grid. If even one of these fails for more than a day or two, it’s chaos in those regions.

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@ProfessorX

In the post modern world something transcending financial materialism to unite people is seriously lacking everywhere.

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@ProfessorX

Chaos nationwide.

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Trotskyist? More likely a Chinese agent :joy:

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@futureone

No, Chinese don’t tolerate Trotskyists inside of China which is why we receive all of their fleeing rejects.

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But egg rolls are great though… and firecrackers.