Yes.
Have you read everything so far in this thread?
Yes.
Have you read everything so far in this thread?
I think so plus it’s inferences which leave some unencumbered, burning questions not included in the poll: such as differences between isolation and self isolation. However at the level of inference, such questions are undistinguishable
Are you isolating yourself?
Otto says:
“Are you isolating yourself?”
At the level of inference, the self isolation and those which are more or perceived as caused by others are more uncertain than those which can be expressed by an either/or answer, referentially. Such changed values demote the absolute mode in which general isolation can realistically expressed.
Hence a large part of isolation are reduced to a primary level of reality testing
Do you think that you could be isolated in this webforum?
You could belong to one of these four groups:
I) An isolated group that knows about its isolation and wants to drive others into isolation.
II) An isolated group that knows about its isolation and does not want to drive others into isolation.
III) An isolated group that does not know about its isolation and wants to drive others into isolation.
IV) An isolated group that does not know about its isolation and does not want to drive others into isolation.Feel free to come out of the closet.
Please copy the following depiction, fill in your position within one of the four groups and post it.
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Thank you.
How can you know what group you are in?
A:
Your position in one of the four groups can be deduced by observing the following:
If one is in group II and does not want to drive others into isolation, they will be friendly to any group or individual not in isolation.
If one is in group I and wants to drive others into isolation, they will be antagonistic to any group or individual not in isolation.A:
The short answer is that group I have the most potential to drive others into isolation and to make others into threats and enemies.
A few examples:
Groups I are most likely to:Exclude and ostracize members of other groups (e.g., the KKK)
Disdain members of other groups (e.g., ethnic minorities)
Exclude and ostracize members of their own groups (e.g., the Amish, Jehovah’s Witnesses)
Disdain members of their own groups (e.g., members of the Amish)Groups II are less likely to:
Exclude and ostracize members of other groups (e.g., the KKK)
Disdain members of other groups (e.g., ethnic minorities)
Exclude and ostracize members of their own groups (e.g., the Amish, Jehovah’s Witnesses)
Disdain members of their own groups (e.g., members of the Amish)Groups III are most likely to:
Exclude and ostracize members of other groups (e.g., the
KKK)
Disdain members of other groups (e.g., ethnic minorities)
Exclude and ostracize members of their own groups (e.g., the Amish, Jehovah’s Witnesses)
Disdain members of their own groups (e.g., members of the Amish)Groups II are less likely to:
Exclude and ostracize
members of other groups
Disdain members of other groupsGroups IV are least likely to:
Exclude and ostracize members of other groups (e.g.,
the Amish, Muslims)
Disdain members of other groups (e.g., ethnic minorities)
Exclude and ostracize members of their own groups (e.g., the KKK)
Disdain members of their own groups (e.g., members of the Amish)It is easy to be in a Group I
A man is in a state of mind where he knows only he exists.
It is not his property. This state is
of indifference to others. Any one, no matter who, can deprive him
of his freedom, which is to say, of his existence. He has no will of
his own. Whatever they may say, he is an object, devoid of will.The man in Group II.
A man in a state of mind where he knows only he exists.
He is his own person, with all his rights, such as he will and ought
to have. His will and his rights belong to him; he has only to obey
them, if he has understood them. The objectivity of this state is
due to the respect of what is another’s (another’s “private and
essential nature” (Group V). In other words, he has the respect of
his fellows.A man in a state of mind where he knows he exists.
This does not mean he has the right to make himself happy. He can
wish happiness to another, but never to himself. His happiness is not
inseparable from his suffering. The objectivity of this state is
due to the respect of a person for him who is not his, but only
another.A man in a state of mind where he knows he exists.
He cannot wish for the happiness of anyone but himself. He can
tolerate suffering for the sake of suffering.In both I and III, a group wants to drive the individual into isolation so they cannot talk to the outside world. However, they will pretend that they are not interested in that.
As a result, a group that is in I or III is not concerned with the outside world and believes that the only goal is to have fun with the group, to help them with their personal issues and problems.
II (aka the “moderate” group) is not trying to isolate the individual or drive them into isolation. However, they also believe that their only goal is to have fun with the group, to help them with their personal issues and problems.
So the differences are these:
In group I, you do not want to talk to the outside world, and do not want to be involved with it.
In group III, you do not want to be isolated, and do not want to be involved with the outside world.
In group II, you do not want to be isolated, but you want to be involved with the outside world.
There is also a group IV, where you have no interest in being involved with either the inside or outside world.
You do not want the individual to be isolated, you do not want them to be involved with the outside world, and you want to have fun with the group and help them with their personal issues and problems.
In addition, groups might also be isolated for one of these four reasons:
I) The group believes that the other groups do not share its isolation.
II) The group does not share its isolation with the group that is closest to it geographically, culturally, and institutionally.
III) The group shares its isolation with the group that is closest to it geographically, culturally, and institutionally.
IV) The group shares its isolation with groups that are geographically, culturally, and institutionally closest to it.There are two main conclusions that can be drawn from the above analysis.
- The isolation of a group is a result of its own decisions and not of exogenous, random events.
- An isolated group will choose its isolation either consciously or unconsciously.
Otto says:
“Are you isolating yourself?”
At the level of inference, the self isolation and those which are more or perceived as caused by others are more uncertain than those which can be expressed by an either/or answer, referentially. Such changed values demote the absolute mode in which general isolation can realistically expressed.
Hence a large part of isolation are reduced to a primary level of reality testing
Self-isolation is meant mainly in the sense of the group. So, in this sense, the group is the self. The individual selves within the group only participate to 80-99% as one group anyway.