Again, and the theme for the day is… It’s not black and white. Banking interests exert real influence of course, but you’ve gone off the deep end into conspiracy cynical territory. Maybe stop listening to Alex Jones for a while?
Try reading that book I mentioned. Also, Bushie Jr had plenty of his own reasons for wanting to do Gulf War 2.0. There were a lot of reasons, bad ones, and factors involved in the Iraq war, as there are in any war. Simply saying “bankers did it” is fucking idiotic. Plus, again, you have not provided any evidence yet that anyone was “ordered to do it duh”.
As for Hillary beating Bernie in the primaries, I actually suspect it could have been from rigged e-voting machines. See my other post about that; or check out blackboxvoting.org or the HBO documentary Hacking Democracy.
I dont understand how he can be perceived as anything but decent compared to Obama. I truly dont. Then I suppose Obamas violence is just very well hidden behind rhetoric and media absence from the deathly craters he leaves everywhere he acts.
I agree that Hillary is pretty much a guarantee of world war. Shes properly insane and in 4 years has done as much damage as Hitler. And Trump is a guarantee of political isolationism in an age of overambitious and cancerous globism that equals world war.
Maybe in 200 years we should make another attempt at globalism. Probably not though. It is fascism squared, pure death. Hillary is an angel of death. Look at her speeches on Lybia. Trump is just a businessman who says what he needs to in a perfectly fictional society.
Bill Clinton bombed Europe in the 90’s. His posse fares war on Russia ever since. Fuck those monsters.
Off the top of my head I remember Alex Jones claiming military exercises in the south were to institute martial law, and then I remember him saying abortion laws were to allow babies to be killed after they were born. I stopped listening to him a long time ago though, once I realized how insane he is.
You should really stop absorbing these conspiracy garbage. It fucks with your brain. The purpose of it is to pose info that is not falsifiable, such as “political leaders are shape shifting reptilian aliens”. Starting to believe stuff like that will seriously fuck you up, not only because it’s entirely unfalsifiable as any bad theory is, but because the sheer nature of the information and the gross paranoia and extreme cynicism behind it are toxic in the extreme.
You don’t need to believe in reptilian aliens to know that financial interests exert political power, or that Hillary has rigged elections in the past. These latter are proven.
If you can prove aliens and martial law and “birther” arguments and secret underground tunnels and fluoride water conspiracy and doctors killing already born babies as part of the abortion laws, then go for it. But you’re going to run into a bunch of unhinged crazy people committing a lot of logical errors and being run by their own pathological paranoid madnesses, repeating each other in endlessly circles of blog posts. That’s not thinking, that’s the end of thinking.
Fixed, how can “being an isolationist” override all of the other many reasons to not support Trump? I can’t imagine that one single issue can carry so much weight as to overpower everything else.
I came up with a 15 point list of reasons not to support trump. And I was barely even trying.
I would not support Obama either, or Hillary. But as you said, How can Trump be seen as nearly as bad as Obama?, I consider this not a valid argument. I made this topic here because all I see from pro-Trump people when I mention all the reasons to not support him are the following responses: “Well yeah but Obama sucks! And Hillary sucks!”
In not disputing that. But I want to know why to support someone, not why to not support someone different. It’s like saying it was wise to vote for Hitler because he had one solid position you like and the other candidates weren’t good either. I don’t buy it.
Alex Jones never said anyone is a reptilian, that’s David Icke. Some of these people are just controlled opposition to make conspiracies look silly.
and what he meant by abortion was slippery slope…as in 50 years from now it might lead to that kind of deal.
Also those military exercises had them shooting civilians, so how is Alex being ridiculous?
Alex Jones isn’t exactly a freedom-fighter either or an enemy of fascism, he’s drinking the Trump koolaid. Why do you think Putin supports Alex Jones? All Alex Jones and Putin are against the NWO and banking, theyr no hero. youtu.be/KUb5EjjCqzg
And flouride water isn’t a conspiracy, it’s out in the open. And if flouride isn’t toxic why can kids die from toothpaste?
No, what I heard of him on the radio was him saying very clearly and in his high-pitch “the world is ending!!” voice that doctors are already murderinf born babies as part of a population reduction plan, and that this is technically legally covered in some abortion laws. I heard him say these things, I remember because I turned on the radio during the day and was very surprised to hear his voice. This guy shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a public radio station. People like him and Hannity and Limbaugh are responsible for the Trump phenomenon.
As for fluoride, I used to think the same as you do, I saw this as a “huge conspiracy” to dumb people down. Then I researched it and discovered that was mistaken.
The body does purge excess fluoride to an extent, bones aren’t weakened from low doses around 1-4 ppm, and CDC even recommends below that dose at 0.7 ppm anyway. Fluoride is naturally occurring anyway, and added very low levels have been shown to drastically improve dental health while being safe on health otherwise:
“Ingested fluoride and health
The health effects of ingested fluoride were reviewed by Moulton (1942) prior to the Grand Rapids intervention and regularly ever since by numerous organisations and individuals. More recently IPCS (2002) have carried out a detailed review of fluoride and the potential for impacts on health. Studies and reviews have concentrated on bone fractures, skeletal fluorosis, cancers and birth defects but also cover many other disorders claimed to be caused, or aggravated, by fluoridation. There is no good evidence of any adverse medical effects associated with the consumption of water with fluoride naturally or artificially added at a concentration of 0.5 – 1.0 mg/litre other than the increase in dental fluorosis described above. Furthermore, US studies in areas with natural fluoride levels of up to 8 mg/litre found no clinical evidence of harm. However there is clear evidence from India and China that skeletal fluorosis and an increased risk of bone fractures occur as a result of long-term excessive exposure to fluoride (total intakes of 14 mg fluoride per day), and evidence suggestive of an increased risk of bone effects at total intakes above about 6 mg fluoride per day (IPCS 2002).” who.int/water_sanitation_hea … uoride.pdf
But my overall point is that you have a psychological need to believe in conspiracies. This isn’t healthy; and it causes you to skew information. I know because I used to be the same way, it’s a potent addiction, this conspiracy mentality and extreme cynicism.
Let me tell you a story, this isn’t even a conspiracy but a verified fact.
There was a dude who was a victim of the Columbine.
Shot 13 times. So he tried to sue the pharm industry, claimed the meds they gave the shooters made them crazy.
Pharm industry kidnapped him, put him in a mental hospital, and crippled his spine so he couldn’t talk.
Your info on flouride is iffy, I wouldn’t bet my life on it.
Haven’t had cavities in years and I dont use flouride toothpaste, nor brush my teeth everyday, or drink the tap.
My dad got cavities? Know how? Brushed his teeth day and night, doctors said he was a victim of overbrushing…
Humans in nature don’t brush their teeth, they use their nails…
Furthermore, when my teeth do get cavities, they can auto-repair themselves.
In terms of reasons to not support trump, what do you think about this?
“145 tech power players penned open letter to the world about Donald Trump”:
The letter takes aim at Trump’s right-wing policies, writing that he stands against open innovation, movement of people and engagement with the world outside America.
“We believe in an inclusive country that fosters opportunity, creativity and a level playing field. Donald Trump does not,” the letter reads.
“He campaigns on anger, bigotry, fear of new ideas and new people, and a fundamental belief that America is weak and in decline. We have listened to Donald Trump over the past year and we have concluded: Trump would be a disaster for innovation.”
…“Donald Trump, meanwhile, traffics in ethnic and racial stereotypes, repeatedly insults women, and is openly hostile to immigration. He has promised a wall, mass deportations, and profiling,” the letter continued.
“Donald Trump proposes ‘shutting down’ parts of the Internet as a security strategy — demonstrating both poor judgment and ignorance about how technology works.”
Excess immigration beyond what can be handled is a bad idea, I think almost anyone would agree at this point. But Trump simply takes things to a much, much farther extreme. I have 15 other reasons too if you want more.
I’m seriously interested in “hashing this out” on pro vs anti Trump. I want to know the big reasons for supporting him, not just why not to support someone else (Hillary, Obama). And I want to know what the responses are to the many good reasons not to support him.
K: I have already asked for anyone to offer up a defense of the Donald and not one
person was able to… Attack Hillary and 37 people pip up but defend Trumpf…
not one…
There is a hidden bigger picture out there. Nixon, just before he was impeached and left office warned of a fascism rising up. This is going back many years, and Eisenhower was weary of the military industrial complex. These are very large brushstrokes, but the connections are there.
Social disorganization has predictable outcomes, and there is no way that they will be somehow changed. In the US they would not call it fascism, but for middle the roaders, however there is an ideological war going on beneath the rhetoric, and it is indubitably the right time for a major change. With communism fallen, capitalism qua democracy falling, the third and last remaining option ,loads the dice to expexted odds.
Yeah, I’ll just get used to the fact that no one seems capable of responding to the points I am making.
It’s confirming that my points are correct, at least. But also very disappointing that this site can’t seem to produce any honest discussion.
Ranting paranoia and unsubstantiated accusations are everywhere here, but raise arguments with clear points and evidence and you get ignored. Maybe this forum needs to be changed to “I Love Paranoia”.
I’m surprised you’re not a member of the I Love Neo Liberalism forum being a neo liberal yourself.
No need for paranoia there as you just unquestionably follow an authoritarian neo liberal agenda or script feeling smug about your own alleged intellectual superiority.
They’re so smug there that they have conventions offline where they discuss their agenda enjoying the smell of their own farts sniffing each others asses when flatulent.
Those would be weird arguments to make if anybody made them.
Very similar to Hillary in that regard, except that Hillary has actually lied about things that are important, and put national security in dire jeapordy through her lies.
Yes, he’s not a democrat. Most of those things are good ideas. Killing family members of terrorists is no big deal. We did it to Qaddafi, and I’m sure Obama has done it accidentally with his drone strikes. As far as tracking Muslims in a database is concerned, you’d have to be bonkers to think we aren’t already doing it.
And yes, other nations should be paying for their own defense.
This is just a bunch of dramatic sounding horseshit that doesn’t relate to Trump or anybody else.
They listen to people who call candidates ‘Hitler’ because they want to enforce border security and have unpopular ideas about trade deficits. How can you whine about the ignorance of the masses and accuse them of buying nonsense in a thread you created to peddle it?
Change begins with you. Don’t put things in quotes if they aren’t actually a quote.
Why would something he didn’t say end his campaign? Think about it. Somebody who doesn’t like Trump is going to read your fucking post, see this non-quote, and they’re going to believe that Trump said “I want to kill the family members of terrorists”. You’re going to bitch about the ignorance of the masses when you’re diligently working to make them stupider.
Trump did certainly suggest that we should target terrorists families. And of course, we already do that- Obama’s drone strikes aren’t firing bullets, they’re firing missiles that kill the target and anybody anywhere near the target.
A lot of it is over reaction to the lies of his critics. Like for example when you just lied about your Trump quote, people disinclined to trust liberals aren’t going to take a moment to realize that he said something that amounts to the same thing- they’re just going to see that you lied, that liberals pretty much always DO lie, and they’ll assume that Trump is innocent. Or like when you compared Trump to Hitler a minute ago; if somebody who was only lukewarm to Trump was about to be persuaded not to vote for him by your post, they’ll see that, laugh, and say, “Holy shit, why was I about to listen to another stream of histrionic horseshit from a liberal?” and nothing you say will have an impact. This isn’t because Trump is special, it’s because people like you have been calling everybody they disagree with Hitler and making up lies about them for all of our lives. You’re already on very, very thin ice- everybody with a brain already knows that your typical whiny bitch liberal on the internet is going to call everybody to the right of Mao a bigot, a sexist, a fascist, a racist, and so on. If we’re not already on your team, we all just roll our eyes when we hear it. So if you’re going to criticize Trump, you have to be precise in order to convince anybody. If you misquote him or compare him to Hitler, you’ll just be dismissed as a liberal doing what liberals always do.
There’s all sorts of valid criticisms of Trump that don’t get taken seriously, because the leftists who present these criticisms just can’t fucking help themselves but spoil their own credibility by calling people Hitler, or calling anybody who disagrees with them insane, or making up a quote that doesn’t exist. Did you have a good point? It doesn’t matter- you’re just another crazy fucking liberal to me. I’m sure you had just as much irrational hatred in your heart for Romney four years ago, so why should I listen to you now? See?
