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First, let me introduce myself. I’m Hieu Nguyen Ngoc, a Vietnamese, male, 40 years old. I reached enlightenment on 21-2-2004. Since then, I become a daoist (taoist) and teach taoistic zen (meditation). As I had learnt Taoism, Buddhistic meditation (similar to taoistic zen as I found), Osho, Professor Cao Xuan Huy (a Vietnamese Taoist), and I had integrated these into a new system, I have the name integration zen taoist. Before me, even founders Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, Lieh Tzu, we don’t see they had zen. A zen taoist like me is very new. Taoism is different from Buddhism from beginning, but the last, i.e, enlightenment in Taoism is very similar to that of Buddhism. Hence, some Buddhists in Vietnam say to learn, to practise both are good. Consequently, Taoistic zen is very valuable, as good as Buddhist zen.

Is it arrogant to call myself a taoist, that means, I’m enlightened, live in deliverance, always happy? No! To be enlightened is to perceive nothingness, not goodness. Since I don’t say I’m good, I’m not arrogant. To see I am nothingness, that is to see I have no yin (bad) direction, nor yang (good) direction, but I see that I am chaotic as Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu wrote. I see I’m multidimensional, neither good only nor bad only, but my life goes every direction. When I see I’m nothingness, my mind is empty, sadness can’t enter, so I am happy unconditionally, even when criminals robbed me, as I see robbers were nothingness, money was nothingness, not goodness, as a result, I would treat robbers like friends. Osho, modern zen master wrote that Lao Tzu & Buddha were both non-being, not the good. Since being enlightened, I have the ability to require evil with good, and I have no ego as Lao & Buddha taught, not to return like for like in a mediocre way. This is not because I have desire to do goodness, to become a saint, but because I see my enemies are nothingness, no firm natures. Learn Taoism, you will know why easily. Lao & Buddha said everyone was equal, thus, I am not higher, greater than my learners; women and men are equal, the rich and the poor are equal etc, then of course I treat my learners as friends.

My aim is I want to spread non-being as far as I can, since to perceive Tao, or nothingness is great happiness. To know non-existence is to be relaxed most of the time, therefore you would have a calm soul and a silent soul makes you a good learner. This is a shortcut for studying.

Please feel free to contact me. Email, chat: daosi05@yahoo.com , Skype: ngochieu73

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Moved to R&S

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Cool. I’m up for it. It might not be for another 2 weeks or so but I’m interested in the method you teach.
Thanks Nguyen Ngoc (I think that’s the correct way to refer to you by name?)
I must warn you that I’m NOT interested in religious dogma. I don’t want to get further into my head; I want to go beyond it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Namaste

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I was wondering if such studies without religion thrown in could benefit kids that are hyperactive or ADD, ADSD? Right now in the states our government is paying schools for each kid that has these issues and that have to be in special education. The drugs involved only control, not cure and they have side effects. What if special ed includes such studies as this? Could it work?

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I am not into religion. I don’t worship even Lao & Buddha although when before enlightenment, I was a buddhist, burnt incense every night. If you want to learn Taoism and taostic zen like a friend with me, please email or chat daosi05@yahoo.com .I don’t call myself a “master” but I treat learners equally as friends. My first name is Hieu. I can answer you every question, every broblem in Taoism.Hope to see you soon.

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Taoism & Buddhism are deep, may be appropriate for the adult, the old, not good for children. It would be bitter if we forced children to learn profound philosophy, even though we know that meditation in Taoism or Buddhism are not harmful for everyone. I reached enlightenment when 31. People like Osho enlightened when 21 are rare.

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Don’t be offended by this question.

How do you know that you are enlightened rather than deluded?

In other words, what distinguishes enlightenment from imagined enlightenment?

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To know if one is enlightened or not, that is based on reality. If one can change the way one treats others, for example, one loves his enemies easily, that person is enlightened.
In the theory Taoism, first, that is we see ourselves, the world, our society, things have no firm characteristics. All those are multidimensional, or say it another words, they go every direction. We call this “nothingness”. Then, in real life, a woman didn’t pay my fee, I treated her the way I treated my siblings. I was pretty surprised as I would have sued her to bring her to the local officers; I had hated this woman before enlightenment. Another example was that my neighbour, a strong man, insulted me, I invited him a coffee, and a drink. Do you know why? That’s because I perceive he was nothingness, no firm characteristics, not badness only. From a second to all my life, I treat people that way easily, that’s “love your enemies”, unlike before enlightenment, I returned life for like.
Second, I teach Taoism easily, fluently, with any question in Taoism, never be stuck. I find out that Taoistic books Lao, Chuang are easy, unlike most of scholars say Lao, Chuang, Lieh Tzu are difficult! I’m not arrogant, please remember since those great founders said “Everybody is Tao”, Everybody is equal. For me, too, I see I’m mixed with the society, not higher, more “valuable” than anybody as my mind is empty.
Third, I apply Taoism into real life well & easily. Everything I do is Tao, as fish in water. Tao is chaotic, we deduce, everything, everyone are chaotic. As a result, I watch porn video with a group of cute naked hookers, I would be calm, not very hot as I perceive the porn & those good looking women are nothingness, multidimentional, not fixed goodness.If saying that I am disable in bed, one would fail as I have a cute daughter, 10 years old, and my libido is about average in Vietnam, this means I’m quite strong in bed. I can bet others the two ways: live with sex, ok; no sex, still ok!
Fourth, I commit no sins as money, beautiful women, villas, private planes, finest wines, good laptops etc are nothingness, chaotic like Tao, not goodness only.
Fifth, enlightened people (both in Taoism & Buddhism) don’t get angry for what ever you say or do as they see your tricks, badness have no fixed characteristics, or non-being.

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You know when someone is enlightened when you can see that they only grasp what is within their reach.

They never want for what isn’t available to be had. They never (or hardly ever) try anything at all that doesn’t succeed to the degree they were attempting. That doesn’t exclude experimental acts such as attempting to go somewhere to see if he can get there. The objective was actually finding out if he could get there. If it turns out that he can’t, then he succeeded.

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Thanks Hieu. I think skype would be an easier way to communicate than emails? What’s your preference?

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To James & Saint: enlightened taoists are like Buddha and Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu. You read them then you will see I am like Lao & similar to Buddha.
To Superstar: skype me. My time is +7, that’s Vietnamese time.

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Been there, done that, got a lot of respect those those guys. :sunglasses:

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How can learning control harm a child that is already being harmed mentally by severe lack of control? Drugs are preferable over mental strength? Surely there is a way to adjust training to suit needs?

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Hieu, ‘chaotic’ in Zen and Tao has a very different meaning to ‘chaotic’ in the west/English. I understand it to mean ‘nature’, ‘wholeness’, ‘oneness’ in Zen/Tao? Could you clarify what chaos is?

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Tao is Oneness. What is oneness? That’s the combine of yin and yang.Yin is the negative, softness, woman, failure, shadow, false, wrong ect; yang is the positive, hardness, man, success, light, true, right ect. Wrongness always goes with rightness, wrongness & rightness are Oneness; the negative always goes with the positive, negative and positive are Oneness ect. In general, yin always goes with yang.
The important law is yin is yang & vice versa.
Ngo Van Linh, 41, living in Danang, Vietnam, worked as a single taxi driver with an old motorcycle. At noon 17th December 2004, he was having lunch at home, leaving the motorcycle in the veranda, unlocked. A thief came, started the engine then ran away. The whole family saw that, shouted out loudly then ran after the thief. But Linh was still … phlegmatic, still said:”Run after him slowly, don’t run fast to be tired. He can not steal that vehicle!”. As he said, the vehicle ran just a section of way, then stopped;the engine didn’t work. The thief was frightened, left the motorcycle then ran for his life. Everybody was surprised , asked Linh whether he had a mysterious device for the vehicle. He smiled inanely:”Oh, this motorcle has many illness. He who isn’t familiar with it, can’t ride it.”
A bad motorcycle is hard to be or never can be stolen. Thus, badness is goodness.

Strength is also weakness. If you sing well, I invite you sing karaoke, you like me. If you like me, I may take advantage of you. Being a king of one hundred battles, win one hundred is a catastrophe. Chinese ancient literature tells us : Once Nguy Van Hau, a king, as Ly Khac, his official:”What is the cause for the Ngo state to be perished ?” Ly Khac answered immediately:”One hundred battles, win one hundred.” Nguy Van Hau was confused. Ly Khac explained:”One hundred battles, people become exhausted. Winning one hundred times, the king become arrogant. An arrogant king rules exhausted people, surely fail.” The strong changes into the weak.
Since yin is not yin completely, yin is yang & yang is not yang completely, yang is yin, we have the combine of yin and yang, or Tao, or Oneness is not good nor bad, not positive nor negative, not successful nor unsuccessful, not right nor wrong but chaotic. Tao, or Oneness, or the Truth is chaotic, this mean it has no firm characteristics, or sometimes, I say the Truth, or this world has no firm natures. From this, the chaotic, we can deduce everything. From knowing one leading to knowing everything is here. To be enlightened is to perceive this, to perceive the chaotic oneness, the combine of yin & yang.

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I’m enjoying the good/bad stories.

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Taoist11, you came to enlighten us two years ago and quickly disappeared. What have you been doing?

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I have been meditating.

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This makes more sense for westerners, Hieu. Chaos is that which has no firm characteristics or nature… therefore oneness, wholeness, neither good or bad.

PS: I think this is where quantum physics is at the moment except most people try to make quantum physics something magical whereas it’s just that wavicles have no firm (man-made) characteristic or nature therefore there’s oneness – until we project characteristics on them. Anyway, I’ll leave that for the science and technology forum :slight_smile:

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Good question.

I was ‘enlightened’ too (only for 6 weeks back in 1972) but that’s enough to give me the credentials to respond as well so I will. O:)

It’s difficult to tell if you’re enlightened if you’re not. If you ARE enlightened (i.e. fully conscious/aware) then it is very easy to know you are.

If you’re asleep and you dream you have woken up (but are actually still asleep), it’s difficult to tell the difference because the state you’re in largely remains the same. Sleep is sleep.

When you really wake out of the sleep state, you can easily tell the difference between the waking state and the dream state you were in when you dreamed you were awake.

But you’re right, if a person only imagines he has woken up/become enlightened, then it’s near impossible for him to know the difference because the state is the same. He cannot rise out of his present state to view it from another level of consciousness.

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