What are the basic emotions?
This is all very aloof, the above.
A standard model is: joy, anger, sadness and fear.
These are the expressible emotions. Then you have the subversive or reflexive or social emotions, the ones coupled with morality. These you can’t express directly, you can just respond to them. Are these truly emotions?
“certainly not subject to reason.”
I guess thats the answer, the reflexive social emotions are when emotions get subjected to reason, trapped. Then neither reason nor emotion can express itself. And then you get repression. But in a way where the substance is pulled down in a vortex rather than covered with a layer of something else.
Oh, I have an answer. But since you and I are both interested in the topic ,I’d rather focus on that, rather than quoting you and having a discussion of what you were insulting. You didn’t respond to questions and comments of mine on topic earlier. But there they are (post 94 or 95 is a good place to start - the one that’s mine), you can respond now.
All I am doing is agreeing that, regarding this, we are at an impasse. You see claims without justification, I see arguments unaddressed. Who’s to say who’s right? Clearly we don’t see eye to eye. Is it a minor tragedy in life? Probably not even.
I think this is related. Here you clearly have things to say, and things you want addressed. So let’s get to it. I am listening. If it wasn’t related, you would not have written it in the same post.
What am I insulting?
I thought you saw the post where I addressed arguments. You responded obliquely, without quoting. Perhaps you were responding to someone else. Part of your style it seems not to clearly connect responses to other posts. Your post was not an argument, it was a series of claims. Current research does not match your hypothesis. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong in the series of claims, but that’s where my questions came in. I thought perhaps you could flesh out your claims to make it an argument. But you are still calling it an argument, so sure, it’s an impasse. I’ll drop it. I did appreciate your post in the Obesity thread.
Yes, thank you.
Actually, No one cares about LGBT, until you put it in their faces, or their children’s faces.
Being LGBT is like being a radical in politics. People may be interested or even amused to learn about it if you let them ask and approach you. But the vast majority of the world population is hetero sexual, and most heterosexual’s who are straight men don’t want cocks shoved down their throats. Nor the notions of such in their presence.
LGBT like it or not are aberration’s of the natural order. Otherwise you would be the Majority, not a negligible almost non-existent (population wise because numbers are important) minority.
An Aberration can not demand that the entirety of what is referred to as “Normal” accept them and allow them to openly be aberrant. That the society as a whole must for some reason submit to your whims and desires for acceptance because you are different. That is delusional and Psychotic.
Be different. Be free. Stop demanding everyone else openly accept you and your deviant psychology. This is simply not realistic.
I am not being cruel here, I am stating reality.
I have 0 issues with LGBT in any form personally. But I am also an individual and myself while not LGBT exceedingly aberrant in my own way. Even as such, I do not expect anyone else to accept me. Like me, or even tolerate me.
The first step to being free, is stopping caring what others think about you. Be you. Be Aberrant. And who gives a fuck about what others think? But also stop making demands on others. Just as you have the right to be free, so do they. You can;t demand freedom while telling others they must conform. That makes you a hypocrit.
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Aberrations are a perfectly natural occurrence. You can be born the wrong way, to the wrong place, with the wrong start, get twisted into something thats wrong.
But between you and you, there is nothing more to the problem than owning the cards you have been dealt. To look at you, and know that its not your fault because it had not been your choice in the first place.
Being at peace with yourself is not an option.
If you cant manage to do that much, then not only your life will be hell, but so will everyone else’s around you, and the only imprint you gonna leave on reality will be a bruise.
You do not want that to happen. Nobody does.
But be at peace with what?
If all you have are blinding emotions and irresistible drives, there is no self to accept. It is important to know why things happen. Why these emotions and drives exist. If they are too blinding, it might help to study the science of what they are usually symptoms of.
All crime is the result of a blinding emotion and an irresistable drive.
These must first be quieted. Not numbed, but stilled.
Thinking on it some more, maybe one of the biggest mistakes made in modern psychotherapy since Freud basically invented its basic sructure is the idea that to address an intense emotion, you present another one. Electroshock as a very boneheaded direct example.
This only adds layers of pathology. It’s, I believe, an expression of the therapeutic institution’s wilp to repress. To silence what it finds.
The first thing is to drain. Let the shouting and tue crying happen. Then the emotions can start to be tuned down, intense emotion presented with quietude. Until finally their intensity and proportion allows observation.
“Why do I feel this way?”
With yourself, who you are, and the situation you are in.
With the very fact that none of this was your fault and as such its nonsensical to question yourself because of it.
What you are describing has very little to do with LGBT.
What you are referring to is simply the lack of capacity for rationality, and those who behave like animals should be treated for it.
This is one my largest issues with the removal and closure of asylums. Society was flooded with completely insane people who are mentally degenerated, nor sexually. Inability and lack of capacity for basic thought, logic, rationality and understanding.
Secondarily: No. Not all crime is the result of blinding emotions.
Some are very very rational in their nature and come down to things like simply not giving a single damn about other people.
There are crimes committed on impulse/passion, which are emotional in their nature, and then there are premediated crimes which are also referred to as cold blooded exactly because they are calculated and planned.
It has everything to do. Trauma is, by definition, an event that causes emotions and drives so strong that the ego turns away from it. From then on, this emotion and these drives will remain, attaching themselves to the egoic flow almost at random, seeking explanatins for themselves anywhere but where rhe explanation is.
These are not idiots or “madmen” in the sense that they lose capacity for reason. An asylum would not fit them. They simply have a set of drives and emotuons that overpower reason in their specific operation.
This applies even to cold blooded crime. What leads you even to think it out and plan it is a set of drives and emotions that are irresistible and blinding. A healrhy person simply does not do it. Reason prevails, balanced emotions forbid it, the drives for it do not exist.
In this very forum you see people that seem otherwise normal, but at times have emotions that blind them, drives that carry them, and reason negated. They become specifically incapable of reason. Animals. But no sane person would put them in an asylum. With which there are several problems.
That was not my point. I am fully aware that mutations and aberration’s are perfectly natural in nature. What I was referring to as the natural order is the general mien. The average, the majority. the .0001% is not part of the natural order. It is called an aberration specifically because of that, because it deviates from the norm. And in the case of LGBT individuals in animals and humans, they are in fact an exceedingly rare aberration of aberration’s.
You can’t build a society based on the .0001% and demand everyone else conform to it.
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On the surface, you are right, but its a bit… more spread out in terms of reasoning than this.
First because no matter what you will try to force on a society, if its forced, they will resist it, and secondly because (in causation with the first) you technically can feed any bullshit to society and they will normalize it and go along with it as long as you do not step on the psychological reactance triggers.
You need not go further than cultural and religious practices where you have the wildest sht from sacrificing babies to circumcising them.
So yes and no.
You most certainly cant build a society based on the demands of .0001%
But if you were to sell that sht as a culturally aesthetic concept, then humanity will collectively take fistfuls of that feces and stuff every orifice they have full with it.
Like how ghetto culture and rap rose to cultural relevance even though its hardly anything more than the worst aspects of human society puked into slurred words and animal like dominance behavior.
Its not so much a question of majority vs minority.
Its a question of how you go about it.
And this is why things like stuffing school libraries full with lgbt porn is such a problem. A child does not think and has no information on which it could decide what is good and what is bad. A child mimics, experiments and learns.
And you can DESTROY a society just by feeding the right thoughts to the unaware youth.
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That is all grouped inside the same term and the distinction is important:
I’d say mostly nobody has problems with LGB. That’s about private decisions in the bedroom.
Now, the T+ stuff is quite different, has mostly nothing to do with private things inside the bedroom, and all to do with how the attention from others is drawn
Mostly nobody has problems with LGB… unlike Senegal (a mostly muslim country), that just made homosexuality have double the prison time.
Plus, it’s mostly not a matter of hate, but of disliking. And more than disliking people per se, disliking being forced to do stuff about that, in particular when criticism about that is shunned. So, it’s mostly disliking special treatment and avoiding criticism towards the T+ stuff. Are you for it?
That’s nonsense.
“LGB” was taboo many years ago until it wasn’t. Only now that it’s become mainstream, are “LGB” no longer hated. Now the bigots hate “T” because it is now “taboo” to hate “LGB”, so they have to hate on some other marginalized group.
Hating LGBT is third-world, Africa behavoir… African countries are the most homophobic countries. It is because it is about emotions, animal disgust… there is no rational or logical being that would automatically hate LGBT. The closer to animal, the closer to animal impulses and instincts.
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First, gay rights are not about bedroom but also about marriage. Obama didn’t believe in gay marriage, but believed in gay rights other than marriage. The reasoning is that marriage is a meme, a cishet normie construct that leads to other stable societal constructs. There is a stable societal construct such as “Rich white guy marries a feminine white female, then has 3 kids.” This is the “American Dream”. The American Dream is exclusionary, its meant only for certain types of White people and Jews… even some Black people here and there. In this economy, many white people, maybe even the majority, cannot afford the American Dream. For instance, if I ever had a family, I would never pay for their college tuition, it seems like an absurdity, I don’t have 200K saved up and if I ever saved up 200K I wouldn’t spend it on someone’s college tuition, it sounds like a normie scam and an absurdity, people can learn just fine on Brilliant.
But the “American Dream” expectation is, be white, be rich, then be worthy of a white female’s hand in marriage, then drive your premium luxury car to the marriage ceremony then pay 10,000 dollars for the marriage. Then buy a premium home, get in debt for 40 years. Then have unprotected sex and have 3 kids, also buy pets. Constantly take care of your whiny, annoying brats and pets then go to Church every Sunday, be sure to SMILE. Also pay car insurance premiums and health insurance premiums, also save 600k for every one of your kids to go to college, also buy a chopped down christmas tree every christmas instead of buying a fake tree.
I just view it all as some kind of absurdity, but that’s the “American Dream” of marriage, which gays wish to buy into for some reason. Although gays wouldn’t have genetic kids, they would adopt kids, which is kind of probably awkward, but still probably preferable than having kids be homeless.
Anyway, that is why I say “marriage is a meme” and also explains why Obama didn’t support gay marriage. Because marriage is a meme very specific to straight rich white people and jews, and sometimes black people.
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Anyway, most T’s just want to be “passing T” and not bothered by bigots. It is bigots trying to deny hormones to teens so that the T’s will never be able to pass.
Most T’s do not want to go outside and not pass. You must be talking about 2SLGBTQIA+ or some shit.
Oh yeah, lol, the biggots wanting to prevent mass infusions of biology altering hormones on a group of people notorious for still not having a firm footing of who they are in the world, basically children.
The monsters.
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LGB is simply about sexual attraction between consenting adults. ‘T’ is meaningless bullshit. You’ve also ‘conveniently’ left out all the other letters, including the ‘+’ and we all know what THAT represents…
Men who get off on themselves as ‘women’? 'Oooh, I’m ‘trans’ '. Munchausen mothers who are desperate for attention? ‘Oooh, all my children are ‘trans’. They need puberty blockers’.Teens who crave attention? 'Oooh, I’m ‘trans’ '. Men who can’t get laid? 'Oooh, I’m a ‘translesbian’ '. Boring people with nothing interesting about them whatsoever? 'Oooh, I’m ‘non-binary’ '. For fuck sake!!
I’ve come to the conclusion you are just trolling and baiting anyway. No one could be that stupid.
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I think some autistic people are superior, Sheldon and Sherlock are superior.
Random autistic discord mods? Most of them inferior.
And gays often look healthier than straight guys. My own opinion and also cis women’s opinion. I often heard cis women complain how they “wish that gay guys would be straight cause they look a lot better than straight guys.”
I often do see gays that look healthier than straight people, although I do occasionally encounter gays that have some kind of obvious physical genetic defect or something.
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It just sounds like ooga booga: “the natural tendency of humans to be ooga booga emotional animals so we should encourage people to be more like animals” is what it reads like.
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I do find some gay things to be slightly gross, like I seen gay kissing scenes in woke media that felt somewhat awkward. Although equal parts awkward and funny, either way it didn’t help with the immersion into the media.
I have unpopular opinions. LGBT dislike some of my opinions… 
Example is I believe sexual dimorphism is unfair, so I will fight tooth and nail for LGBT rights, transhumanism and hermaphrodism. LGBT hate my opinions cause I’m too based, some of what I say is too raw. I say that human sexuality is bestiality, women like degrading sex Because they view men as beasts, bestiality. So they have to lower themselves in order to have sex with beasts. As a male, I don’t enjoy being viewed as some “hairy beast”, men have this aura of being viewed as “beasts” by women, look they even made a popular movie about it, called “Beauty and the Beast”…
So its like … duh… of course some people find it repulsive, when a hairy beastly man kisses another beastly hairy man. When a man kisses a woman, it kinda balances it out, makes it civilized somehow… I personally don’t understand why anyone would want to become this, why a FTM would take testosterone to turn into this… I don’t get it:
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So on the flip side, I understand and support why a T wants to become MTF, to become a woman… Yeah I know that’s the “politically incorrect” thing to say, see I told you. I am hated by left-wingers… they would scold me for that, they would tell me they were “born a woman”… I don’t believe anyone is born a woman… cis females are not “born a woman”, they are born as an infant, a biological being. Cis males over time lose neoteny disproportionality compared to females, and become more ape-like after puberty.
Thus, to me it seems absurd that cis males must be “forced” to go through male puberty. They did not consent to puberty, they did not consent to be born, and they did not consent to circumcision. Yet our society, traditional religious extremists forced circumcision on male infants, and it is these same traditional religious extremists who try to convince society that teens should not be allowed to avoid puberty, and instead be forced into becoming “apes” and orcs. Its all very deranged if you asked me, like some deranged circus where the inmates took control of the asylum.
Then they wonder why these teens are so violent and homicidal, when they are forced to go into puberty. The same type of thing as Bruce Banner and the Hulk, filling their veins with testosterone, then wonder why teens are emotionally unstable…? And if they want to opt-out of the bullshit, they are told no, that they are FORCED to go into male puberty, they can’t opt-out of the shit.
Hypersexual? That’s what happens in CIS male puberty… CIS males are hypersexual… why you point the finger at LGBTs as if they are special or something?
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And out trots the obligatory Buck Angel photos 
In reality she’s a tiny thing. She has also never claimed to be a man.
You can’t seem to get it through your thick head. It has nothing to do with what a person looks like. That’s stereotyping bullshit. A woman can look like anything .Nothing is ever going to change the fact that she’s a woman.
One sad, brainwashed, delusional creature who believed the bs and thought that she was a ‘man’ demanded to serve time in a men’s prison and was promptly raped for her trouble.
This ideology isn’t harmless. It’s possibly the most insane and dangerous ideology that humans have managed to come up with to date.
Dress as you please. Look as stupid as you like. Just leave children alone and stop trying to force everyone else to participate in and validate your fetish!
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They are monsters they circumcize infants.
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