Just like to say that if Mary and family were just people [not god-like] from just around the corner, then Mary would be a harlot who would have had to have slept with another man to conceive Jesus [hence the trip to egypt ~ to escape]. Joseph as an older man, noting that in ancient judea girls married as young as 12 yo, would in today’s terms be classed as a paedophile.
Abraham fucked his ‘girl servant’ [what!] to get a child because his wife couldn’t at that time conceive ~ which in today’s terms would be slavery and rape.
You’re talking about truly good men. I was talking about how good men can come across (sometimes, to some women). But as far as men who are good for the right reasons, I think you’re right that they are hard to control–simply because they do things for reasons not only above themselves, but above anyone who might want to manipulate and control them.
(What?! A diamond ring for you?! No way, bitch! I’m giving that money to charity! ).
Your good man sounds quite stuffy and cold. Your idea of women just sounds wrong.
The rest of your post sounds very paranoid and schizophrenic.
Well… this certainly shouldn’t derail into my thread, which has spilled out into many others here, but I would simply point out that this is the propaganda of males who don’t respect the fact that women complain about all variety of approaches relative to men, who hardly complain about any type of approach, and that men who don’t show attraction to females are responding to this very real phenomenon. Psychologically, women who accept men who keep pushing or even approach them, creates an environment where the only men who turn “nos” into “yesses” are the only ones who get sex, or that women want sexually what they complain about.
Men really aren’t like women to this degree, and I think this Madonna-Whore complex is absurd, men pick what they don’t complain about much more often than women do.
I think referring to it as stuffy and cold isn’t really seeing the larger picture of what makes these the kindest men, and by far the most intelligent and honest men (though not by any means the ones who will ever have any type of power perhaps in the entire universe - so it’s not like these virtues actually matter), I also think it is part of the female denial system speaking through your lips. To go a step further and call it paranoid or schizophrenic shrug
I’ve experienced similar things with women in my youth as what you’re talking about here. As a teenager and young adult, I’d have pretty girls come up to me and complain about what assholes their boyfriends are. They’d also let me know how sweet a guy I am and how I’m going to make some lucky girl very happy one day. So the moment I approach them, thinking that they must like me and that they’ve got issues with their present boyfriend, they seem to back away and run into the arms of their so-called “asshole” boyfriend. After a while, I felt like I was just being teased, and that, yes, girls tend to complain about that which they want.
Now, I don’t know if there’s any truth to this–the evidence I was going on was rather flimsy–and having been in a few relationships myself since then, I know that couples do get into tiffs now and then–doesn’t mean they’re ready to throw in the towl and abandon their partner for someone else, and it certainly doesn’t mean they can’t apologize and make up with their partner. Usually, feeling that your partner is an asshole/bitch is a temporary thing. After you make up, you fall back in love.
Let me just say that it happens a lot among young men that they not only have a lot to learn about women, but they often misinterpret what they are taught about women. For example, the complaints women have about men might be directed at men they already find attractive or love, and it’s just that they want to see certain improvements. The men they don’t find attractive or love might not even be getting any attention, and therefore women find nothing to complain about in the first place.
Have you ever thought that maybe the fat, ugly girls would be more than willing to have sex with you because they desperately want to be liked by some guy–any guy–and it’s just that no guy even notices them, whereas the pretty girls push away the guys who make sexual advances on them because they’re sick and tired of all the (pretentious) attention? Where do you think the male complaint that women don’t put out more comes from?
I experience men to be more direct and assertive, yes, but this may only be a result of the fact that, as a man, I speak maleneese ( ). Therefore, whatever I hear men say, I understand exactly what they’re talking about and so there’s no room for misinterpretation, whereas when I hear women speak, I might often misinterpret, and therefore I might notice that what I think they’re saying diverges from how they behave.
But it does sound paranoid and schizophrenic (to me). What the hell is the “female denial system”? I mean, don’t get me wrong. I too think women tend to go into denial more readily than men (but again, this could be misinterpretation or something like that). But you can’t just call being rational and thinking of all the possibilities and interpretations (after admitting that, really, you just don’t know the facts) a form of denial. Jumping to conclusions when you don’t really know all the facts is how paranoia and schizophrenia begin.
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