Man and His Symbols

I have a fascination for symbolism and allegory. I love to figure out the subtext of myths and legends. Many people, flippantly, gloss over myths as archaic wishful thinking, or madness. But, really, these myths often are rooted in profundity; when you study the myths of ancient cultures, what you are, actually, doing is studying their psyche, their soul. And in a sort of quasi way, you are studying yourself, or your past selves. This brings us to Carl Jung; he believed that dreams, the symbolic nature of dreams was the unconscious self/mind’s way of communicating with the conscious self. He didn’t believe, like many, that dreams are just random, meaningless nonsense.

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You should check out Joseph Campbell if you haven’t already as he has some fairly colorful ideas around what myth is.

Nonetheless, Jung’s ideas I feel are spot on in this realm. Here’s An excerpt from a paper I wrote a few years ago which formulates an idea that all knowledge is mythic in nature:

This section introduces Joseph Campbell’s ideas and wraps up on how myth evolves into our scientific knowledge:

Cited Works:

Jung, C.G. (1990). Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious. In V.S. de Laszlo (Ed.), R.F.C. Hull (Trans.), The Basic Writings of C.G. Jung (Vol. 3-17, pp.299-337). Princeton University Press. (Original Work Published 1959).

Campbell, J. (1986). The Inner Reaches of Outer Space: Metaphor as Myth and as Religion. Novato, CA: New World Library.

Mythology and symbolism speaks for itself, no :confusion-shrug:

…a standard… to live by.

Standards are for the weak, for the common animal, for the sheep.

The wolf is above good and evil.

Let’s all worship wolves and barbaric mal-evolved nonsense.

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Erik… I’d rather the masses follow standards to live by, rather than be the otherwise pains to live with that they would otherwise be.

The Importance of Dreams

Those statements make a standard of being strong and uncommon and above good and evil. The implied standard is a self-defeating tautology.

A strong being is a standard unto himself. But he is part of his dreams as much as his dreams are part of him.

Well stated Cross.

What are your thoughts on Nietzsche’s master/slave morality?

Edit: I was implying conventional Judeo-Christian morality when I wrote " standards are for the weak ".

Nietzsche has started a military-spiritual school, to replace the church with a natural, masculine morality. I have become part of that school, and gained in its arduous process, the battle for the masculine psyche, the honor I have symbolized in my name and avatar. My philosophy is a continuation of Nietzsche’s, and the division master/slave is central to value ontology.

A master is someone who values the world in terms of his self-valuing.

A slave is something who can not value the world in terms of his self-valuing because the world is too cruel for him to bear. The result is that he needs to create an imaginative world of morality where he can self-value as someone powerful, someone with a bright future. Power is always about the future.

The promise of Heaven for the faithful slave of “god” (any given priest), and more importantly, given the resentful nature of moral slaves, the promise of hell for the one who inflicts harm, is a means to get slaves to value themselves in metaphysical terms – to get them to renounce all worldly power and obey the orders of the priest.

In this day and age, slave morality is connected to the belief that science explains existence. This aspect of science, which no serious scientist upholds (science is a method, not an explanation), is the corpse of God. Slave morality is always connected to those who seek the answers to their souls questions anywhere else than in their own drives and actions.

The Big Bang myth is the creation myth but further undone of mans responsibility for his dream, imagination, ‘vision of reality’.
In the Bible, at least there is first darkness and waters, before God comes onto the scene. God can be interpreted as reason, or duality, as the first thing he does is split the firmament.
In the Big Bang story, the whole world, all matter/time-space, explodes out of a single point, which is thus also the beginning of time.

But “beginning” is a term that applies only within time. Time can not begin. Thus the idea of a big banging origin is absurd, and even more absurd than the bearded man of Christianity, because he is clearly a symbol, whereas the Big Bang is a supposed fact. If we inquire after the origin of the first cause (god), some Christians will know how to reply: god is beyond time space, the cause of things is not itself caused, it is simply necessity.

In this light we can better interpret the origin of matter from a singularity – it is necessary that matter is not compressed in a single point, therefore it exists rather as time-space. But this is a quite redundant statement. Whatever exists exists because it exists; all existence is rooted in itself. And therefore existence is fundamentally as diverse as it appears to us and far more diverse - there is no unity, except in the merciless physics of it all, the interconnectedness of things (Causality) yet their irreducibility to each other (Relativity).

Wow - I didn’t know this about you, that your philosophy is a continuation of Nietzsche. I will check out your site.

Yes, I agree that people tend to put a sort of religious faith in science, ironically. Nothing against science, of course, but never been one for scientism.

Science has become too dry, disenchanted. I’m more into esoteric methods of acquiring knowledge.

A big bang might have been, but only after a collapse. The origin of matter is in every single particle that came to be on its own accord. We are all becoming particles on our own accord. A man is a particle in time, he is a life, he is a circle on more dimensions than the atom. Thus he is more self-aware. But the atom is also an instance of will to power, a complex arrangement of wills, a hierarchy. And thus we are like atoms, but the measure of Gods beard in vastness multiplied.

As in nature, many atoms are stuck in roles that do not use up all of its potencies. This will always be the case, unless all of nature acquires the same substance as gold, which is so conductive and incorruptible because it perfectly uses its own power to be what it is. All other substances are ‘struggling’ - willing to power. God can no longer will to power in term of the outer world, it has conquered the world, it is now the worlds standard. It is strange how science completely corroborates myth and allegory in the case of Gold. The stuff is worth its weight in gold, I mean it is self-referent like no other thing on earth. When faced with a curse, paint with gold and white. Darkness will dispel, tail between its legs.

Newton discovered the laws of causal relations while trying to produce the alchemical gold. It’s easy enough to think of the ideas of causality, momentum and acceleration as alchemical gold; the value of ‘having’, understanding these laws is certainly evident; golden law as standard to an entire world of new, almost absolute values.

Thank God there was eventually proof that the world is not absolute in its order. It is a monster of energy after all --but this monster is subtle, the subtlest motions will pass through its entire nervous system, and karma is a bitch on all the dharma in the world, except gold.

I have originated a scientist but broke with its derivative laws when I saw them broken, or compromised at least, in the hands of inspired and insane humans, and eventually in all of nature. Nature is not derivative - therefore science is revelational. There are indeed scientists and worker bees, and then there are priests. They are the politicians, talmudists, theologians.
The Einsteins and Copernicuses are prophets, by allegory -
but given that this is not God, but science, all evangelicisms are pointless, and most ‘scientific debate’ is nonsensical. Worker bees is all science needs, awaiting new ‘revelations’ - which is what all scientific discoveries are. Science is the history of revelation.

What the human thought since it has become ominously powerful has missed, lacked, is a logic that grounds science in man, the will of science, which is to say, in itself.
Nietzsche set this up in the form of the will to power, which was reflected in Relativity theory, and then dispersed, blown to the four corners of the wind in postmodernism, and now effectively unified in the logic of value.

Astronomy is the original exact physical science. In this I find the greatness of science, the coldness also, the undisturbed majesty.

OK. Then the problem isn’t standard or no standard. Instead, it whether one is the slave of the crowd’s standard or the master who chooses his own standard.

Yes. To choose ones own standard - that is, to choose to uphold it – is to choose oneself, which is to be a ‘master’ and to ‘will to power’ in the direct sense. For to be a standard is always to influence others and compel them, in some way, to adapt to this standard.

The opposite view is to take offense in or suffer from the will to power that upholding oneself own standard entails, and thus to rather adapt ones being and habits to the standards that have been set by a community or another person, or a moral ideal.

Communities and moral ideals can and do provide plenty of space for a being to develop himself to a certain point, all this is nurture and we are all ‘slaves’ to our basic nurturing environment. But at one point when consciousness matures, some humans require, in order to be, to set standards independently, separately of their original context. This is the evolution of ideas and cultures.

Will to power is the degree to which one is capable and willing to form a standard. I’ve called this self-valuing.