Moses was just tripping....

abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4392361&page=1

The Israelites used DMT religiously, and it’s now believed that Moses was using it at the time when he received the Ten Commandments and saw the burning bush etc.

By the way there may have been a post about this already, but it didn’t come up on the forum search.

Who cares? Last week, Moses didn’t exist. This week, he existed but he was high. It’s always something, isn’t it?

No, it says right here he was a epileptic woman.

Several problems with these statements. The article does not name (identify) the “two naturally existing plants in the Sinai Peninsula”. What are they? The forth century BC Botanist “Theophrastus” in his two volume work “Enquiry into Plants” makes no mention of any plant that would resemble the effects of ayahuasca. So, what are these two plants found in the Sinai desert?

Also, while the bible does not prohibit the use of an intoxicant, it does limit their use. For example, the Levitical priests could not drink wine or other intoxicant prior to entering the tent of meeting:

Notice the Torah prohibits the use of wine and other intoxicant when the Levites are on duty. Indicating that they are permitted at certain other times.

So, the use of wine and other intoxicant (shecar) is not prohibited, but rather it’s use is limited.

It doesn’t matter whether or not the Torah allowed them to use it, it’s the fact that they did take it which would explain these supposed miraculous encounters.

I don’t know what the plants were, however on the yahoo article it says:

news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080304/od … bntCwDW7oF

Now according to wikipedia (thats right, wikipedia),

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia
Acacia tortilis containing DMT.

Anyone who has read my post’s on the ILP forum must realize that I am as far away from being a drug prohibitionst as I am from the Sinai desert. That said, the abc news article is, as the British so elegently say, a load of rubbish.

And what is your “FACT” based upon? An abc news article that shows Charlton Heston in his Ten Commandments movie next to a picture of Timothy Leary?

This is the first time I’ve heard that the acacia tree contains DMT. For the sake of argument let’s say the acacia tree does contain DMT. So what! And let’s, for the sake of argument, say that some of the ancient Hebrews, including some of the Levites, knew of, and used, a psychedelic plant such as a psilocybin mushroom that may have grown along side the Jordan river or in an oasis. So what!! It’s use would still be limited, as wine is. And the Levites would still be prohibited from using it prior to and during their official duties as commanded in Leviticus 10: 8-10 as cited above.

Saying that Moses was tripping on a psychedelic plant when he recieved the Ten Commandments because there just happens to maybe be some psychedelic plants in that geographical region, has about as much basis in fact as saying the signers of the American Declaration of Independence were tripping on mushrooms when they signed the document because some species of psilocybin mushrooms are found in the eastern woodlands of the United States.

By the way, there are, in fact, some species of psilocybin mushrooms found in the eastern woodlands of the United States.

If you know about the effects of hallucinogenic drugs, such as DMT, and compare them to some specific events in the Bible, there is reason to suspect the use of the drug.

For example: Moses saw a burning bush which was not consumed by the fire. These drugs greatly alter one’s perception of time. He saw the bush for possibly a fraction of a second, however due to his altered perception, the event seemed to have lasted up to several minutes. Thus, he believed he had been watching it long enough for the fire to consume the bush, but the moment was truly just a glimpse.

Moses’ skin supposedly shone after the encounter with God. Quite often, people’s eyes and skin appear brighter while they are on the drug.

It is just a theory, but the pieces do fit together.

Hello Eclipse
Believe what you want, but I don’t buy the theory. Millions of people alive today have, at some point in their life, tried a psychedelic drug such as LSD, and experienced things like walking on a sidewalk that seemed like walking on a conveyor moving in the opposite direction from which they were walking, or hearing a note of music that seemed to last a long time, due to the apparent slowing of time you cite. It has nothing to do with the book of Exodus.

People have tried to use conventional explanations to explain the miraculous events in the blble. When the Israelites crossed the Jordan river at flood stage, as recorded in the book of Joshua, for example, it is alledged to be due to a landslide upstream that temporarily damned the water, and so forth.