My Idea

Ladies and Gentleman before I proceed with the purpose of this thread. I want you to know that to me my idea is mine, I would put my life and existance everything within it and on the line to the declearation that the idea is mine, not copied, it might’ve been said, it might’ve been thought of before, but I know not of it. I know it is mine because it came to me.

You will think after you have read my idea whatever it is you want I could be to some just a foolish inexperienced 17 year old pretending to be a philosopher, a thinker, original. To others I could be a you inexperienced fool with potential, and yet to others I could be a genius. I myself do not know and I do not care to pass judgement on myself, whichever is true the fact still remains true that the idea is mine and to me it is a paradigm.

But it also remains that you do not know me you will only know these words of me and the words of my idea. Think whatever you like as it is youre nature to do so.

I do not give this idea a title, I fear even mentioning it and classifying it as an idea might corrupt what it is. A title limits the bounds of ideas, a title or a name makes whatever it is given to solid, and of form, it prevents the idea from being free, and without walls, boundries or borders. So without any further adeue here it is:

And Idea is
Invincible

God is invincible
Therefore god is an idea.

An Idea is immaterial but real
And is in everything that comes after it.

An Idea is a creation, the owner of the idea has already created it
Weather it has been built or not, it is already created
The act of building it and turning it into a physical being is just that building,
Putting bricks, wood, and nails together.

The idea is that which is truly great.
Nothing exists simply as is
Everything was once an idea

Every idea is part of every other idea to varying degrees.
Some ideas even though to the owner of the idea may seem single and orignal
Is always a reaction to an idea before it
Every idea is of the same value
Weather it is the product and reaction of a million others
A product of everything one has smelt, felt, heard, said, tasted, or saw.
Or it could be the product of only thing.

Yet no matter how many reaction’s an idea is created from
Weather it is from only one, or from an infinite number
It is of the same merit because an Idea is God.

But some may say well one idea is more stupid than another,
But I argue that what makes an idea less than that of another is not in its merit as an idea
Because as I have said all ideas or of the same merit.

What does make an idea less than that of another is its practicality
What I mean by that is, that some ideas may be useless or worthless
Because they cannot be built.
They cannot be brought into existance in the physical world.

Yet every idea is already created, and exists.

Yet it is immaterial but it exists.
As god is immaterial but exists.

But you may say if all this is true, as you seem to think it so,
And that in fact every idea is the product of another,
And that god is an idea
And that God is Idea
And that before anything exists it is foremost an idea.

Then what came before god, who or what created god.

I first must say that god is the original idea
He created it all, he was the first idea,
And as every idea is in every other
His idea is in all of us
And the idea of him is in all of us.

But I proceed to answer your question
At one point we were all ideas, and everything in existance was once an idea.

God IS Idea.

We may give him personality, give him name and title, add traditions and ceremonies, and institutions, but those are just our own ideas.

But even in those ideas God IS.

Now know that weather you belive in god as humanity has made him, belive in his existance, or that you don’t believe, you belief is an idea.
Know this, whenever you think of an idea
You CREATE

This is god, you are performing an act of god, no matter what the idea is.
God exists in everything, and in all of us, we are god but not gods.

Whatever else there is, know that the proof of god lies within yourself,
If you have ever thought an idea,
You have proven there is god.
And you have all done so.

P.S.

An idea is invincible, the first idea that one thinks of is pure, cannot be changed, or corrupted. Weather it is good or bad or in the middle it is still pure. An idea can be replaced, hidden, or repressed but it cannot be destroyed.

Once an idea is shared with others it is always still in its pure form, the others who claim to “change” an idea are misled, all they are doing is attaching onto it, building onto it, redirecting it. But the first idea, the core idea is always pure. It is like a christmas tree, the tree is the first core idea, all that is added to it is only hung on it, the lights and ornaments cannot become part of the tree, they can only hang onto it. The ornaments as themselves ar ideas too and are pure in themselves but are single entities as the tree is also a single independants entity and one cannot become part of the other.

The ornaments can make the tree looks perttier, flashiers, more attractive but without the tree without the core idea they are just a clump of objects.

Without god we are just a clump of objects, meaningless and useless.

We attempt to record ideas, weather it be in our minds, in books, movies, or any other products, this is the process of building the idea in the physical world.

But if the owner of the idea dies, if everything the idea was recorded on is destroyed, every book burnts, movie melted, and sound erased, the idea still exists.

As soon as an idea is called into existance it becomes a part of all existance weather it is created or not. Wether someone hears it or not. It becomes a part of existance.

How great an idea is, is not measured in its intelligence, or even usefuleness, as an idea it is of the same merit as any other. But what makes it greater is the reaction it causes, so even the stupidest idea is great if it causes a reaction. Its like dominoes, the greater the exposure of an idea is the more reaction it creates meaning when the first domino is pushed the more other dominos it moves the greater that first one is.
So whatever you may have thought of my idea,

Remember one thing and one think only

NEVER no matter what, let an idea stay within you, always no matter what
Share it with as many other as possible.
Because your idea no matter how irrelevant can cause an unpredictable reaction
In someone else to think of another idea.

The idea someone else thought of could have nothing to do with your original idea,
But that idea could truly be something great.

There is a famous quote that I wish to add on to:

“Every action causes an equal and opposite reaction no matter how irrelevant and unpredictable the reaction may be.”

So your ideas good or bad, innocent or cynical, worthy or worthless, stupid or intelligent, etc, can start the reaction of something great, no matter how irrelevant and unpredictable that reaction may be.

So just know no matter what share your ideas, and do not be afraid of the reaction it may cause, because that reaction may be totally unpredictable.

The reaction can either be something truly great and idea to always be remembered, or it can be something truly devestating and destructive.

There is no such thing as coincidence.
Everything happens for a reason, do not fear your ideas.

Thank you,
B.N.

[I do realize some parts of this may have been vague and not clear or descriptive enough for some people to understand what I meant by them, if you have any comments or questions PM me. In case you are curious as to what action sparked my idea, it was actualy a few simple words that the character “V” in the movie I just saw V for Vendetta said, He said “Ideas are bulletproof” later when I recall it in my mind they words were changed to “Ideas are invincible”. These 3 simple words sparken a slightly related, reaction that made me write this. I wrote the first 5 lines on the bus, then had to return the pencil to my friend cuz he was getting of, and I thought up some of the other key lines, I sprinted to my house, ran into my den/office locked the door freaked out my parents and wrote, without stopping for a single second.]

Realize the purpose is the act of looking.

…I wrote all that and all you can do is comment on my signature…thanks for going off topic.

If you really want me to rip into this logical avalanche I can…

but to be honest I’d rather leave to someone who cares.

Vincent,

You spent your first paragraph explaining to us how this big idea of yours was categorically yours and no-one elses, an original piece. Then within your big idea you told us that "Some ideas even though to the owner of the idea may seem single and orignal Is always a reaction to an idea before it " And then you told us that you got your idea from “V for Vendetta”.

So my first question is…is your idea original or not? If so, it seems your idea is self-defeating and if not then you lied to us in the first paragraph.

My second question is…What!!! Have you read any philosophy before? Can I suggest you read some philosophy of religion maybe Descartes, Berkely, Swinburne, Cupitt, Kant, Anselm, Aquinas, they’ve all got stuff to say on the matter.

In my opinion (and I may just not have understood it) your idea is at best incomprehensible and at worst meaningless. I really don’t mean to piss on the parade so early on but I honestly don’t have a clue what your point is.

  • ben

God and I had a chat about this and we are still thinking about your writing. Although it was a good piece with some favorable ideas you lost me when you brought in God.

Its original to me, because I have not read, heard, seen, or every experienced it in any way before. To me it is great. I probably just rushed it as usual and made it incomprehensible. Like I said in the beginning it can be whatever you want it to be. Including total shit, or soemthing great.

I didn’t say I got the idea from V for Vendetta I said my idea was a reaction. Every idea is a reaction to something, and my idea was a reaction to those 3 words mentioned in V for Vendetta.

What I meant by that blue highlighted text was that, I thought of it and to me its original. But who knows someone might have thought of it before me. But just because they did it does not make my idea any less original unless I copied off them.

Yes I have read philosophy before. But what does it matter, reading someone elses idea is just reading it. But this is my own philosophy. Sorry if you can’t understand, if nobody can understand it then I probably need to clear some things up.

I state my point near the ending.

The bringing in of god might just be my own struggle to understand god.
But thanks anyway, I guess I’m not a total moron if at least one person found something good within it.

Hi, Vin. I don’t think anyone has thought of this before. Not quite like this. If this post gets more responses, you’re pretty much going to get trashed. Because this “idea” you have has some problems. Like the Titanic had with ice. Maybe you could just slow down a little, heh? Take one part of your idea and think about it for a while. Show it to the happy group here. Like the first three lines - An idea is invincible, god is invincible, therefore god is an idea. Maybe you could find, online, some basic stuff on syllogisms. And, you know, compare yours to theirs. Just for kicks.

And stop reading Aquinas, young man. It’ll rot your brain. But take heart - nothing you say makes less sense than Aquinas did, and he’s famous.

f

Long, very long, but let me comment.

— I do not give this idea a title, I fear even mentioning it and classifying it as an idea might corrupt what it is. A title limits the bounds of ideas, a title or a name makes whatever it is given to solid, and of form, it prevents the idea from being free, and without walls, boundries or borders.
O- Without boundaries then you have no idea. Anything can be this idea, which also means that no thing is “this” idea. A title might corrupt what it might be but without a title “it” it is not.
The mind unfortunately is a penal facility and it arrests what it considers; it has walls, boundaries and borders.

— And Idea is
Invincible
O- We once had the idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. That idea has been taking a beating since Copernicus.

— Yet every idea is already created, and exists.

Yet it is immaterial but it exists.
As god is immaterial but exists.
O- As Idea, God stands right next to the Purple Wombat.

— Whatever else there is, know that the proof of god lies within yourself,
If you have ever thought an idea,
You have proven there is god.
And you have all done so.
O- So let me get this straight:
1- God is Idea
2- Though immaterial, ideas are real
3- Every idea is a creation

Therefore god is because of my idea of god is real.
Have you forgot about error? No idea in my mind has security to be real. I can have an idea of a castle in the sky and yet find none as I survey the clouds. I can have an idea of a laser firing from my index finger and be disappointed because my idea does not reflect reality. My idea is real…but only in my mind and in my dreams.

— An idea is invincible, the first idea that one thinks of is pure, cannot be changed, or corrupted.
O- Nice maxim attempt but it fails at the demonstration/reasoning.

— Weather it is good or bad or in the middle it is still pure. An idea can be replaced, hidden, or repressed but it cannot be destroyed.
O- Have you ever forgotten an idea? I once had an idea that was brilliant and sure to make me rich and famous beyond my wildest dreams…but I forgot what that idea was…

— Without god we are just a clump of objects, meaningless and useless.
O- Change that to read:“Without error we are just a clump of objects, meaningless and useless.” and you find you have lost nothing…

Vincent, here’s a starting place:

" An Idea is Invincible. "

So then, what’s an idea? Someone could argue that ideas can be destroyed- when the person who had the idea forgets it or died (having failed to write it down). It seems to me that I have ideas all the time that come briefly and then go away forever. So, what do you mean by ‘idea’? Is every thought I ever had ‘out there’ somewhere, even if I forgot it, or do you mean something other than ‘thoughts’ when you say ‘idea’? You seem to imply that ideas exist independant of thinkers, when you say that an Idea is responsible for the creation of everything else. I would say a Mind is responsible for all the ideas. Is there a difference?

Thank you both for your comments. I did post this realizing that it will most likely be trashed.

The idea of the Earth being the centre of the universe was never destroyed. Destruction means it doesnt exist anymore. WE still know the idea, we just replaced it with a better one.

If the Earth being the centre of the universe never existed we would have never questioned it, and try and prove it wrong. That idea created a reaction, the reaction was the idea that came to someone asking is the Earth being the centre of the universe true and how can I prove it wrong.

Forgetting an idea is what I advised against near the end. When you get an idea even thouht its stupid sometimes record it and share it, because of all the people that are exposed to the idea some people might react to it and in turn create their own idea. Who knows something you wrote, maybe just 3 words of it made another person who read that think of an idea that eventualy would lead them to cure cancer.

The value of God as an idea is different for everyone.

LoL I like that. See my idea sparked an idea for you. Your own version of it.

Faust thanks for the advice, you’re probably right I should’ve taken it slowly or at least not posted all of it. I will take your advice and go compare some syllogisms. LoL Aquinas how did you know, back when I first started reading philosophy he was one of my favourites but I’ve moved on from that. I liked his whole Reason vs. Faith argument’s but yea I have moved on.

Vincent, I understand what you’re saying a little better now but still disagree with your theory about the invencibility of ideas.
We have the bones of ancient men, but not their ideas.
We have the ruins of ancient societies but not their ideas.
We look in awe and because we lack their ideas
…and ideals; and we insert our own ideas.

Standing in the shadow of a Monolith on Easter Island what is the idea that indestructibly is expressed by the stone?

I will!

Vincent, I thought this post was brilliant.
I can agree with a lot of it.

(Why do I feel like Paula Abdul on American Idol?)

You live it.

mrn

See the reason ideas are indestructable is because its sort of like an evolution of the mind.

You build on ideas, there is a progression, its basically cause and effect and it works with ideas too. Someone has an idea proves it and carries it out, someone else thinks well how can I make this better and gets an idea of how to do that. Then that technology or philosophy or whatever progresses, evolves.

For example the wright brothers plane, they had an idea drew it down [recorded it] and then built it. Someone thought well what 15 seconds in the air yea its great that it flies but its useless for those 15 seconds how can I make it better. Then that person gets an idea of how to improve it.

But if the wright brothers didn’t have the idea and didn’t record it and didn’t build it the second person would never have thought of a way to improve the plane either because there would be nothing to improve.

Obviously we build on previous knowledge, we discover new things get new ideas of how to imrpove old ones and we build on them. But if the old ones never existed we wouldn’t have anything to build on.

So that cave man from our past we may be evolved and nothing he did matters right now. But his advancements his ideas that he built, are part of everything we have now. If he didn’t ever discover fire, where would we be, if he didn’t discover the wheel or the spear, we wouldn’t have evolved but we would gone extinct. The signature of past ideas that were brought to life [and didnt die with their owner], can be traced in all we know right now.

Its cause and effect and evolution of ideas basically. Someone get an idea and builds it in the physical reality not just in his head and shares it, this causes an effect on another person that build an idea on top of that one.

But the progression of ideas is not linear sometimes the effect can produce something totally unrelated but somehow in that persons mind was triggered by someone elses idea to make an idea thats totally unrelated.

[Someone else asked well minds create ideas, thats true but if you go back to the source of the first idea- god, you’ll also find out that the mind was once an idea too.]

You REALLY need to read some philosophy.

Yea I know…I haven’t read any philosophy in months. Too busy.

I’m still stuck on this- I can’t think of an idea as being anything other than something that minds create- your comparison with the Wright brothers seems to bare this out. The idea of a mind having once been an idea isn’t something that makes sense to me.

Vincent, I don’t want to gun you down. I think what you wrote is interesting. But there are some inconsistencies.

First:

I get what you’re saying, but you’ll have to work on your argumentation. As you’ve said nowhere that you refute simple logic, then I must inform you that you’ve been caught off side. If all A is C and all B is C, then B doesn’t necessarily have to be A.

You could prove me wrong, but I think this doesn’t equate with your first statement. The idea of parts nailed together doesn’t relate in my head with invincibility. You should either expand and explain invincibility better, or change it altogether. What exactly does it mean ? That ideas suffer no damage ? What is damage to an idea, then ? That an idea suffers no change ? How then do we correlate it with the fact that they are made up of tinier constituent parts ? What are those parts then ? Are they also invincible ?

A trap, of course. If every idea is created, who/what originally created the idea of god ?

Quicksand, Vincent… Watch your step. You haven’t even told us what an Idea is, and now you rebaptise us all with your fancy lexicon. Does an Idea have any substance ? If yes, what properties does it have ?

Hmm.

I’ll let Vincent answer the objections on his own. However, I would like to register my support for his position. Think something neo-Platonist or Hegelian, where Ideas exist in God, and I think you will better appreciate his position. The idea that God is from eternity is pretty standard, and if ideas are in Him, they might be from eternity as well…or at least aeveteral in some sense.

I don’t think Vincent is the one who has philosophical reading to do.

It might help for both sides to recognise the part played by (what we can call) matter in making Ideas more factual in the world, and Ideas’ loss of existence in the world when they are not enmattered. But where else are they from, and where do they go?

mrn