The usual retort by neoconservatives is that the United States is becoming a Marxist nation where socialism or communism is collapsing the nation.
As both a Marxist and communist who also believes the nation is collapsing I would argue it is in fact capitalism, neoliberalism, neoconservatism, and radical libertarianism that is actually collapsing the nation instead.
So in this thread I pose an open challenge capitalism versus communism, what or who is collapsing the United States?
This is a trick question! Neither exist so there can be no such thing as a collapse of them.
This guy could be a fascist spy posing as a communist asking the working class such a question to get them to reveal their doubts about it so he can develop propoganda that exploits those doubts and the weakness in commitment to the marxist doctrine to turn them against it even more.
Fascist agents used to do that stuff. Gurbles was a text book case.
Aren’t you suppose to be a Marxist too?
Anyways, I propose that everything neoconservatives say is collapsing the United States in all reality is capitalism which is ironic because they’ll defend that over everything.
I’m like a post-leftist illegalist anarchistic accelerationist, but i wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I think a marxist society would benefit er’body more.
Ah, illegalism, the individualist anarchism that is indistinguishable from criminality. It didn’t achieve much historically beyond a few random bombings or political assassinations where even then it was compared to terrorism in the very end of its short reign. And what is anarchy but a feel good cope of a fictional imaginary fantasy land? I have yet to hear from an anarchist coherently explain what anarchy actually is.
Call me traditional but I am comfortable with my tankie autocratic brand of political communism, I don’t just want to topple the government, I want to create a new government out of the ashes by political revolution. My methods might be totalitarian but my methods are effective where I get instant results, and in the end I envision a future world a damn lot better than the current one we live in.
Karl Marx was a genius and my respect for him is enormous which is why I am a Marxist today, my only qualm with him is his religious like faith in democracy, something of a religious faith I do not share in.
Now accelerationism is something we both can agree on, one cannot exist in this late stage economic capitalist system without being an accelerationist. It’s very simple too when your enemies are busy cutting their own throats, simply do nothing waiting patiently on the sidelines educating yourself on a variety of things in this world of ours, and while the world burns imploding in on itself lead by an endless amount of morons at the helm of the whole burning sinking ship the accelerationist eventually wins with his life preserver intact overtime. Although watching this nation slowly collapse the last twenty five years is extremely tedious and dreadful, the amount of sheer patience one has to learn over the decades is extremely exhausting.
Oh yeah, no, I’m just an anarchist because the State and its citizens are actively destroying me, so my natural state of being is war. Otherwise, I’d still be spittin’ Marx for the good working peoples of the world.
Made invisible as fixed to some abysmal subterranean imaginary landscape.
Huh? What’s that suppose to mean?
Nothing. Meno has just arrived in Cancun and is working on his second scotch.
That actually sounds nice right about now, can’t blame him for that.
Sure that sounds about right, my point all along sans libations , at a minimum, the greatest danger lies in compensations rather, de compensations instead of applying families of approximate resemblances.
Call it naive realism upon which the founding fathers tried to distance themselves from Eurocentric aristocracy ( they couldn’t, says ironist Nietzche, because he could insist on his pseudo aristocratic lineage, ( to support the provable rigor it takes to insist on a perceptual inadequacy among the sheeple)
That doesen’t make his argument fallible or not, it only pits the growing sentiment of uncertainty dawning on more and more futulists.
The antipodes of both social democracy and inbred capitalism are not of a narrow , over-reacted band, like they so fearfully insist upon, but but they break up into the colorful rainbow 
that totes in a formidable analogy of the case of the man who maintains a neutral attitude in the existence of God, saying ‘I don’t disbelieve him so I hold out that possibility.
Let’s face it, once upon a time the king was also the absolute proof of his identity with god, a god who is a god because his rules are absolute.
But aristocracy faltered when colonialism earned itself a bad name, because aristocrats were the ones who instigated crisis in identity. ( they became dependent on the wirking class)
No wonder the new kings, princes of wealth don’t like such crisis in their own constitution!
Again ibid.true but then the fact you can’t blame me is right and just, but how about a self uncertain ping of bad conscience, partly inflicted by others’ similar avoidance of nominal personal characteristics?
A brotherhood of drunks? Who even if clean and sober keep coming friends for some occasional semblance to brotherhood?
But I am not ungrateful, and was showing my good, sober side, reversely. denial!
Pls.the need for comradeship for the bedridden was not primarily what the founding fathers had in mind. They tried to save capital from being eviscerated, the cotton gin beat the potato famine as cause celebre.
Proof?
Washington had a mistaze child 
by a young slave child.
However Jefferson’s case is a lot more certain and apparently not cleaned up by social science;
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Drink some nice tequila down there for me on the beach my friend. By the sounds of it you’re having a good time.
It’s no secret he had a thing for his African plantation slave women.
Take two, the country is not collapsing, the empire which believes that capital limitless expansion is an absolute necessary ingredient to a social-democratic system, where distribution maintains it’self in a common-wealth, of fair distributiin(each according to need and ability, has come home to roost.
The common wealth of nations set the universal treshold , while his colonial brother, the US, is an eager offspring. The US has not traded up the values it thinks it received, say in terms of mass produced stuff, now handed down to the new upcoming Chinese dynasty( been there before, raging against the British interest in opium) but thought in terms of the bidybeclectic of material hegemony, no, it could never remain undivided between Hegel and Marx on that score, so the Brits are said to have regained a dialectic struggle they rather not had participated in , re. Brexit.
So the social Dems are as confused illiteral as any one who cannot learn from hysteria, is bound to see the world wars as similarly ununited, not a reason de’etre of the symphonic malady that ideological confusions aren’t caused from it’s self , the harmonic triad that has been around when Greece thought it invented it.
The asymptote’s are functional when no isms are assigned to any process dealing with the willful manipulation of progress through conquest , the power to secure and protect them, within much more than similarly resembling quantities of goods.
Henry Ford was a closeted fascist, saw through the folly of sharing ideological frontiers through boundary limits bringing home.
The president who saw through this folly was the peanut farmer himself, and that was quite a while ago to start thinking along those lines, and give credit to where it’s due.
Very interesting, if you would have to garnish a solution to this malaise, what would it be?
$36 Trillion in debt. That’s just the official number. Add to that the over $100 Trillion in unfunded promises by the government. It is unsustainable. It is mathematically certain.
Yeah, as a general rule I don’t trust anything they say officially, just assume it is much worse than they publicly acknowledge.