My Theory of Consciousness

felix dakat wrote:

However, the mind, which, in my view, is the content of consciousness, creates the experience of time. (See Kant)The past doesn’t exist any more, and the future doesn’t exist yet. They are both useful fictions of the mind. (See Parmenides)

← Agreed, but time as it exists in the human experience still represents something. The fact that events seem to unfold through time, and sometimes consistently (thereby manifesting in physical laws), still represents something outside us. This is true regardless of whether your physics is Newtonian or Quantum, and in the post you are quoting, I make accommodations to show how my theory fits Quantum theory just as well as Newtonian theory. →

Being is absolutely necessary. And it is absolutely free. Quantum theory reflects that reality. Which is why it contradicts common sense.

← Can you elaborate on this? I take quantum indeterminism to show that being is not absolute (though incredibly close to absolute at the level of human beings). →

Being and consciousness are absolutely one. ← Sure → Relativity originates with the mind. The world is our representation. (See Schopenhauer)

You think things outside the mind can’t have relations to each other? I suppose if everything is one uniform undifferentiated entity outside the mind, and nothing more, then what you say makes sense. But I don’t think it has to be that way.

Part I: intro

Hello everyone,

In this latest installment of the ongoing saga that is my theory of consciousness and my attempts to elucidate it for ILP readers, I would like to discuss the role that things at the level of molecules, atoms, and subatomic particles play in not only the grand tapestry of experiences in the universe, but in our brains and in human experience. There is a lot to be said on this matter because my theory, as it stands in this thread so far, still leaves many questions unanswered–questions such as:

  • If the entailment (flow) of experience is supposed to be driven by necessity, why then does flow sometimes seem to be arbitrary or totally subjective? For example, when we hear the score of Indiana Jones (you know… da-d-d-daaa, da-d-daaa!), why does this seem to invoke (entail/flow into) themes or emotions of adventure and action? The connection is pretty direct, after all… we hear the music, we get the impression that this means adventure/action. But how is this connection necessary? How do the particular patterns of notes necessarily mean that what’s being expressed is adventure/action? Is this not just conditioning which is completely arbitrary? Could not a different culture have used the same score in movies of drama, sorrow, and tragedy? And then wouldn’t such a culture have associated it with drama, sorrow, and tragedy? So how is such an association necessary if forming such an association seems totally arbitrary?

  • What exactly is the relation between the experiences that correspond to atomic activity and that corresponding to the macroscopic objects that this atomic activity subsists within? So far in this thread, we have been thinking of the relation as a sort of “sum” or “average” of the atomic (or subatomic) activity. For example, if for the sake of argument, we were to say that the interplay between two particles (say a proton and an electron attracting each other) corresponds to an experience akin to lust for each other (or something like that) and the interplay between two other particles from the same macroscopic body (a rock, say) was the exact opposite (say two electrons who repel each other and therefore experience disgust or aversion to each other–or something like that), then we have been assuming that the overall experience of the rock (given the probably trillions of other interplays between the probably trillions of other particles that make up the rock) would amount to something like a sum or average of all these experiences–all these lusts and aversions–and at the macroscopic level, the rock experiences something neutral (a “steady buzz” as I like to say). That would make sense given the “summing up” or “averaging out” concepts we’ve been (or I’ve been) falling back on to account for the relation between the micro and the macro. But there is reason to believe that this cannot be the case and that the relation between experiences at lower levels map to experiences at higher levels in a different way than simple summation or averaging. To briefly elaborate, think about dancing to a tune you love. Dancing–all the bodily movements and muscle contractions and extensions and the support from our skeletal structures–feels driven by the love of the music… and yet we would be lead to believe by all the foregoing that this love of music is nothing more than the summation or averaging of subatomic particles pushing each other away or drawing each other near–lusts and aversions–how on Earth is the love of music and the drive it imposes on us to dance just a sum or average of these lusts and aversion? To take an even more obvious example, how is color perception just a sum of lusts and aversions–attractions and repulsions? How is the entire spectrum of colors–the diversity of qualities we see in the rainbow–just a certain combination or pattern of black-and-white like experiences? Shouldn’t it always result in something “grey” (for lack of a better word)? Something between lust and aversion? Something neutral? Or hovering around neutral? How does that become color? How, in other words, do we get a whole world of qualitative diversity from a world of qualitative monotony?

  • If every physical action in the universe, whether big or small, whether at the level of whole galaxies or that of the microscopic, comes with some kind of subjective experience, what do we say about the actions of chemical and atomic activities that go on within our neurons, the ones whose activity we do feel? After all, this chemical and subatomic activity continues to go on even when the neurons at these centers aren’t firing and we consequently don’t feel anything. And even when they are firing, how do differences in the chemical and subatomic activity contribute to what we feel? The firing of these neurons are, after all, colored by their internal chemical and subatomic activity–or at the very least, they make a difference to the specific signature of their firing and activity–so shouldn’t this make a difference to how they feel? And yet, we don’t seem to feel a difference. If neurons from the emotional centers, for example, are firing, we feel some emotion (anger, let’s say)–but does it make a difference if the atoms in these neurons are vibrating vigorously (because of heat, let’s suppose) or not (because they are cool, let’s suppose)? The neurosciences don’t tell us much about what happens in these scenarios except that if the neurons are firing, we’ll feel the experience (anger, in our example), and if not, we won’t. And it makes no difference whether the atoms that make up these neurons are vibrating vigorously or not. Yet these atomic vibrations are intricately a part of the overall activity of the neurons, firing or not. So shouldn’t the feeling be different, if not when they’re dormant then at least when they’re firing?

These are the questions I intend to answer in this post and it starts with an analysis of how experience relates to the atomic world and how that relates not only to the macroscopic world of incredible qualitative diversity we experience on a daily basis, but to all levels between and above it.

I will split this post into six parts, mainly because of the character limit enforced by this board per post. So this counts as the first part. Part II coming next.

Part II: The Principle of Independent Motion

So how shall we begin? Let’s begin by noting the following:

If one of the principles of my theory is that an experience must accompany any physical activity whatsoever–that an instance of quality, being, and meaning, all packaged together in one thing I call “experience”–must be there any time something physical happens (something changes, something moves), then this must apply to the activity of the smallest building blocks of matter as much as to the most monolithic, gargantuan, and complex systems of our universe. So atoms and subatomic fundamental particles must experience subjective qualities that seem real and mean something just as much as anything else.

Now, in order to do a deep dive analysis on this point, it’s important to highlight a few principles of physics. For instance, consider the relationship between the activities of sub-atomic particles, atoms, and molecules, and those of higher level phenomena like machines, biological life, galaxies, and more. While it may seem obvious that the activities of the micro world play a part in the activities of the macro world, these activities can sometimes proceed quite independently. This is our first principle of physics. An electron orbiting its nucleus, for example (even though, according to quantum physics, electrons don’t “orbit” per se but occupy a “cloud” of probable locations within the vicinity of the nucleus… but that’s not relevant to the point I’m making here), will continue to orbit its nucleus independently of whether the macroscopic object it is a part of is sitting motionless on a table or is moving at lightning speeds through the cosmos. And this sitting motionless or speeding through the cosmos is equally independent of the electron orbiting (or doing anything else) around it’s nucleus (the independence is bi-directional, in other words). True, it could be said that the overall activity of the electron can be described differently depending on the state of motion of the macroscopic object–sitting still on the table, the electron is simply moving in a circular or elliptical pattern around its nucleus (the electron cloud description notwithstanding) whereas if the object is speeding through the cosmos, the electron must be described as moving in a helix pattern (like a DNA strand). But the experience of the electron under consideration is represented by how it moves relative to its nucleus (and in fact is better described as the experience of the electron-nucleus system), and this is the same regardless of the state of motion of the object it is a part of. So whether the object is in a state of motion or sitting still on a table, the motion of the electron in relation to its nucleus remains the same.

What this allows us to do is to speculate on the minds of atoms and molecules apart from the mind(s) of their environment and their interactions with each other. We can say that while the latter may go through radical experiential changes, the former can remain calm and maintain a steady state or system of experiences.

Given this, what can we say about the experiences corresponding to the atomic structure of matter? What can we say about the experience of a single atom? Let’s start with hydrogen since it is the simplest atom in the periodic table–one electron orbiting one proton. Well, as my theory would have it, this is a non-human unimaginable experience (though probably pretty simple). Since it’s unimaginable, let’s just call it “red”. Now what about helium? Well, helium consists of one additional electron orbiting a nucleus with one additional proton and two neutrons. So more or less the same as hydrogen but different. In fact, all the atoms in the periodic table are more or less the same (a bunch of electrons orbiting nuclei consisting of a bunch of protons and neutrons) but different (some have fewer electrons, protons, and neutrons, others have more). So would it be fair to say the experiences are likewise the same but different? Red but maybe a different shade of red? Becoming more and more mauve, let’s suppose, as we go up the periodic table? For the purposes of this post, sure, why not?

And of course, atoms can differ from each other in ways other than their atomic number or atomic mass (the primary order of the periodic table). There can be ions (atoms missing one or more electron(s)), there can be isotopes (atoms with a missing or extra number of neutrons). These too can be symbolized by slight variations in their particular shade of red (perhaps adding or removing a bit of saturation). The point is, there are multiple dimensions along which the exact character of the experience can vary–infinite in fact–but for the most part, they’re atoms, they’re the same, and so their experiences will also be (roughly) the same.

One might argue, however, that when it comes to molecules, things change. And that may be a fair argument. Molecules do have quite a different structure than atoms by themselves. Fundamentally, however, they are still systems of electrons orbiting (multiple) nuclei with a certain number of protons and neutrons. So we might have to imagine the character of the experiences molecules have as quite a bit different from those of individual atoms–perhaps becoming shades of totally different colors from red–but I don’t believe so different that they can’t behave just like atoms in the context of matter in general. A gas like hydrogen, for example, will act just as “gassy” as a cloud of water vapor (which is made of H2O molecules) at the macroscopic level. And so whatever the difference between what an atom experiences and what a molecule experiences, it’s not enough to cause one or the other to be unsuitable as a basic building block for matter.

So atoms and molecules are the physical representations of simple (or maybe complex?) “minds”, minds that seem to function as the basic building blocks of more “macroscopic” minds belonging to more macroscopic objects. But they can’t be the only building blocks, as there are experiences that subsist between the atoms and molecules–represented by what we might call “inter-molecular” activity–the pushing together, the pulling apart, the bonding and unbonding, the Brownian motion, etc., that typically goes on between atoms and molecules–this too is behavior, and so it too corresponds to a system of morphing experiences. It is the “mind” of the atoms’ and molecules’ environment, the one they collectively make up. It is an environment that is totally dependent on the atoms and molecules for its existence. This means that the mind of the environment is totally sustained by the minds of the atoms and molecules collectively. The latter are the basis for the former. This can (probably) be accounted for by entailment, but more on that in another post.

In the broadest sense, then, we can think of this “mind of the environment” as the mind of matter in general. That is to say, matter just is the environment that emerges when atoms and molecules come together. Sometimes this environment is stable and rigid, like a solid object–a rock, metal shards, ice–while other times it is more liquid and fluid–water, air, oil; let’s call the former “inert” matter, and the latter “dynamic” matter (noting, of course, that even a liquid can be “inert”–just fill a glass with water and watch it settle).

When it comes to the former (inert matter), if there is any experience there at all, it comes only from the interplay between the atoms/molecules that make it up. Even solids have moving parts down at the atomic level, though such movement may consist only of vibrating atoms or molecules. Now, the experience subsisting between this or that pair of atoms/molecules may differ from that between another pair, but just as such activities “cancel out” or “average” at the macroscopic level in the physical world (where the rock sits still), so too do the experiences (it’s true that we began this post casting doubt on the use of the term “average” to describe the relation between experiences at the microscopic level and those at the macroscopic level, but it still serves well enough in this case). They don’t “cancel out” in the sense that the macroscopic object (the rock) feels nothing, but rather that the macroscopic object feels what I call a “steady buzz”–a kind of constant sensation or feeling–like the humming of an electronic device or the pins and needles of a numb hand–possibly with radically different qualities from one inert object to another–one might feel some kind of electronic-device like humming, another a dim but steady glow like that from the embers of a dying fire–but something steady and unchanging nonetheless–and most importantly, without any sense of urgency or drive to change–a contentment, a peace.

We might even consider that different solid objects appear different (have different shapes, size, colors, textures, patterns, complexities, etc.). How an object is shaped, for example, is a matter of how its atoms and molecules are structurally arranged in relation to each other. Two rocks, for example, that are perfectly identical right down to the atoms and molecules within them, except that one has a hole in it whereas the other doesn’t, have different structural arrangements at the level of the atoms and molecules, even if only in the region of that hole. Apparently, this makes the experiences–the “steady buzz”–qualitatively different for one compared to the other. We know this by virtue of the fact that they are represented differently in our sensory experiences of them. How exactly do structural differences in the atoms and molecules (which account not just for shapes but for sizes, colors, textures, etc.) translate to qualitative differences on the side of experiences? That is a good question, one which is unfortunately beyond the scope of this post (but may appear in a future post). For now, let’s conclude by saying the structural arrangements of the atoms and molecules in a solid (or inert) object, by virtue of the qualities of the corresponding experiences, give rise (somehow) to the exact quality of the “steady buzz” the object feels at the macroscopic level. For the time being, you can think of this “somehow” as the “averaging” or “summing” of the myriad qualities of experiences corresponding the each atomic or molecular interaction, but later in this post, we will come back to the question of how exactly the layers of this reductive hierarchy relate to each other on the side of experience.

Now, if that’s what can be said about inert matter, what about dynamic matter? What can we say about the experiences corresponding to melted wax dripping down the side of a candle? What is that drop experiencing? Or what about a rock smashing to bits at the end of a long fall? What about a flower blooming? A waterfall plummeting? A star burning? Ice freezing? Well, ironically, there isn’t much more to be said except to add to what’s already been said about inert matter. If inert matter corresponds to a system of experiences in a state of equilibrium–the “steady buzz”–then an object undergoing change (dynamic matter) must be feeling wildly fluctuating experiences. This can be said for both the object at the macroscopic level and the atoms and molecules it is made of at the microscopic level. Just as the overall behavior of the object can be reduced to the collective behaviors of its atoms and molecules, so too can the “steady buzz” be reduced to the collective experiences of “inter-molecular” activity. The latter experiences can be said to be in a steady state of equilibrium when they correspond to inert matter, but then undergo radical change when this correspondence switches to dynamic matter. In other words, whether considered at the macroscopic or the microscopic level, it is the same transformation, the same change–inert becoming dynamic–in the macroscopic case, we are talking about a single uniform experience (a steady buzz) suddenly undergoing change, while in the microscopic case, we are talking about a complex system of experiences suddenly undergoing change.

And just to be clear, the experiences corresponding to “inter-molecular” activity in an inert object will differ depending on what state it’s in–gas, liquid, or solid. A solid, for example, contains the inter-molecular activities of atomic/molecular nuclei vibrating in their place (but otherwise not moving around). A liquid, on the other hand, contains the inter-molecular activities of atoms/molecules that do move around–that is, they are able to slide passed each other but otherwise cannot separate themselves from the group (like spherical magnets rolling around on each other). And a gas contains the inter-molecular activities of atoms/molecules that are able to separate themselves from the group, but not without some resistance (like the spherical magnets lose their magnetism but are still linked with elastic bands). Even though each one of these systems can maintain a steady state of equilibrium on the macro scale, they are obviously different behaviors on the micro scale, and therefore different experiences. And this makes a difference to the quality of the steady buzz at the macro level. So the state of inert matter is to be added to the list of shape, size, colors, textures, etc…

Part III: The Principle of Causal vs. Happenstance Motion

Now, at this point, I’d like to turn our attention to the reductive hierarchy–that is, the multitude of levels in the universe–the “macro” and the “micro”–and all levels in between and outside–on both sides, the physical and the mental. But before I do that, another principle of physics needs to be spelled out. When it comes to the relative motion of objects with respect to each other, there is what might be called “caused” motion and “happenstance” motion. Caused motion would be that brought about by the mutual influence of two or more objects upon each other. For example, the way the Earth orbits the Sun. The Earth orbits the Sun because the Sun’s gravity causes the Earth to orbit. Happenstance motion, on the other hand, is motion of an object relative to one or more other objects with no causal connection between them. For example, the way the Earth moves relative to Alpha Centauri. Neither the Earth nor Alpha Centauri are causing each other to move (though there are mutual gravitational influences, but these are negligible). The fact that each one is moving relative to the other is sheer happenstance. These two kinds of motion make a difference to the experiences corresponding to them.

Definitely, there is experience in systems whose parts are moving relative to each other due to mutual effects each part has on the others (caused motion). But when it comes to happenstance motion, I’m less certain we can say there must be an experience corresponding to the objects involved. If there were experiences, changes in each object’s position relative to the others would entail that the experiences must also be changing. But changes in experience are represented to us physically as the laws of nature–that is to say, as causally based–at least if such changes are connected by entailment (the flow of experience). And how else would changes in experiences be connected? But the fact that the Earth happens to be moving relative to Alpha Centauri is just that–happenstance–and so there is no causal connection. Therefore, any changes in the experiences thereof would not be represented by physical cause and effect or by natural law–at least not between each other. Thus, it stands to question whether there is any experiential change at all, and therefore any experience at all.

It’s true that the relative motion of the Earth to Alpha Centauri must represent something about the underlying experience (for such motion in our sensory or cognitive experiences does serve a representative function), but it need not represent an experience corresponding to their relative states of motion. To see two objects moving relative to each other is to see one or both objects changing position in our visual field. The spatial positions of the objects we see is one of the qualities they bear. An object in the left of our visual field, for example, can be said to bear the quality of “leftness” whereas an object in the right of our visual field can be said to bear the quality of “rightness”. In other words, their position in our visual field represents something about the objects themselves, their experiences, and not so much the experiences corresponding to their relation to each other (think, for example, of seeing an object move across your visual field without any other objects to be moving relative to–indeed, we’d perceive its changing position–“leftness” to “rightness” or visa-versa–just the same). One might get away with saying their positions in our visual fields represents something about the experience relative to us and our position, but their positions relative to each other is derived by our brains upon taking this positional information and drawing conclusions about their relation to each other–making it quantitative in the process–but this doesn’t come from the objects directly.

Even so, however, our brains must be tapping into something real–something about their relation to each other even with respect to the experiences–even if it taps into this indirectly. What could this be? Well, let’s take as an example two guns that shoot bullets at each other. Each bullet is on a collision course with the other. But their coming together, I hope the reader will agree, has nothing to do with their mutual influence on each other. It comes from the fact that they were each fired from a gun. So this serves as an example of happenstance motion. Nonetheless, there is always some influence that a given physical object has over any other physical object–the law of universal gravitation guarantees that no matter how near or how far, every object in the universe exerts some pull on every other object in the universe (it takes some time for this pull to reach every other object in the universe–gravity travels at the speed of light, after all–but the effect does eventually take hold). So while we can say, for all practical purposes, that the streaming towards each other of each bullet has nothing to do with any mutual influence the bullets have on each other, they do exert some influence on each other, however minute that influence might be. ← That influence can be said to represent some experience undergoing change. It would be equivalent to–maybe even the same as–the scenario of the two bullets floating in space some distance from each other and slowly pulling each other closer simply by their mutual gravitational pull. Whatever experiences the system of bullets have in this scenario, and however they change, would be the same experiences and the same change in the former scenario. That is to say, despite the monumental difference in their motions relative to each other in each scenario, the experiences therein must be said to be the same solely by virtue of whatever causal influence they do have on each other.

The difference is not in the experiences themselves, but in the rate of their change. Suppose, for example, that in each scenario, the bullets start out 100 yards apart. At this distance, the gravitational influence each bullet exerts on the other will be the same in each scenario. And in each scenario, there will come a point where they draw closer together by, let’s say, 50 yards. But in the scenario where they are fired at each other from a gun, that point will arrive much sooner than in the other scenario. The bullets will feel the gravitational pull of being only 50 yards from each other only a fraction of a second after being 100 yards from each other, whereas it could take ages for the bullets to arrive at that point in the scenario where each started out just floating in space 100 yards apart. Based on this, we can conclude that happenstance motion of objects relative to each other represents, not so much the quality of the experience between them, but the rate at which whatever experiences are being had between them (due to whatever mutual influence exists between them) change.

Now, what it means for changes in experience to unfold at different rates is itself a relative matter. This is why Einstein’s relativism holds in the universe. According to Einstein, if two bullets fired at each other close their distance by, let’s say, 6,000 feet per second, from another reference frame, they could be said to be closing their distance by, let’s say, 1 foot per year. In fact, it makes no sense to talk about the rate at which one experience entails another. Syllogisms, for example, don’t require time to hold. The Jetson’s example, for instance, says that if the Jetson’s are a cartoon, and if George is a Jetson, then George is a cartoon. But does this flow in the thought process depend on if you go through the syllogism slow or fast? No! It hold irrespective of time. It is timeless. One comes to the same conclusion whether thinking it through slowly or quickly. This is precisely why Einsteinian relativism holds. Ultimately, experiences are timeless–entailment doesn’t require time to hold–things just do entail other things–logically! They only unfold in a time-bound context when they are physically represented to us–because, as Kant knew, time (and space) ar the necessary preconditions for such representation–and in that context, the rate at which they unfold can differ from one physical system to another. There is (apparently) no rule stating that when an instance of entailment is represented physically, it must unfold at such-and-such rate. The rate can vary from instance to instance.

But of course, we can get different results based on the rate of relative motion between two or more objects. In the scenario of two bullets fired at each other, for example, once they collide, they will totally crush each other. In the scenario of two bullets simply floating in space and slowly pulling each other closer from their mutual gravitational pull, once they collide, they will most likely just cling to each other without making the slightest dent. This end result must also correspond to experiences of some sort, and because each result is different, so too must the experiences be different. But they were both entailed by the same series of experiences just prior? Can a series of experiences unfolding through entailment ultimately lead to contradictory experiences at the end? Well, let’s be careful about calling them “contradictory”. There is nothing out of the ordinary about a series of experiences entailing more than one consequent experience (even if not all of them get represented physically at the same time and place). We can see this in ordinary human thought. If I see that the price of gas is cheap at a given service station, that might entail a whole gamut of things. It might entail that I should stop at this service station to fuel up. It might entail that the economy is improving. It might entail that the manager at this service station is pulling some kind of gimmick to make his station more competitive than his rival across the street. In the case of the bullets colliding, I would say it depends on the state of experiences within each bullet–that corresponding to the atomic and molecular integrity of each bullet–for the impact of one bullet unto the other is a matter of how well the atoms and molecules therein can hold together. Differences in the rate at which they close in on each other makes a difference to whether the atoms and molecules in one can withstand the impact of the other. A slow gradual closing in can allow the atoms and molecules in one bullet the time to repel those in the other with enough force to avoid any damage, but a quick and sudden closing in might not. This means it’s a matter not only of the rate at which the experience between the two bullets changes, but also of how that rate compares to the rate at which the internal experiences of each bullet changes. So just as it requires at least two premises in the case of the Jetson example–i.e. 1) A Jetson is a cartoon, and 2) George is a Jetson–it also requires at least two experiences in the case of bullets colliding–1) that represented by their mutual gravitational influence on each other and the state said experience is in at the time of impact, and 2) that represented by their mutual repelling influence on each other at the level of their atoms and molecules and the state that experience is in at the time of impact. Each such state would have to arrive at a certain quality of experience at the same time in order to determine what experience is entailed next–otherwise, you get a different set of experiences–like different premises in a syllogism–and they don’t entail in the same way.

It gets even more complicated when you consider that the rate at which experiences unfold may not only differ by “slow” or “fast” but can seem to veer in totally opposite directions. Just consider what happens if the bullets in question missed each other and instead whizzed passed each other. Now they are moving away from each other, not towards. Yet the same gravitational dynamics are at work–they are still trying to pull each other closer–but in this case, the changes in gravitational influence unfold in the opposite direction–from strong to weak. Does this mean the series of experiences flow in the opposite direction? Can experiences unfold in either direction? Bi-directional entailment? Well, certainly there is such a thing as bi-directional entailment–logic itself boasts an operator called logical biconditional–aka. “if and only if”–if A then B and if B then A–and if logic has such an operator, so too does human thought, and thus so too does experience. Obviously, not all such cases of entailment count as bi-directional–seeing a bike might remind me of a bike I had as a child, for example, but the entailment doesn’t work the other way around–remembering my childhood bike doesn’t result in my seeing a bike in the real world–but it’s certainly possible for two experiences to mutually entail each other. And maybe this can be said about the experiences of bullets whizzing passed each other–as they head towards each other, the corresponding experiences entail in one direction, but once they pass each other, the experiences then entail in the opposite direction. But it’s hard to say for certain without knowing what those experiences are. It gets even more complicated when you consider the manner in which gravity “flings” objects along a parabolic path. The bullets whizzing past each other, for example, wouldn’t simply continue along a linear path, but would alter their trajectory with respect to each other in a similar (extremely wide) parabolic path (think of the path of a comet around the sun, for example–like Halley’s Comet–the way its path conforms to a parabola). Does this mean that not only is the entailment of experiences reversed but also changed in some other way–like changing along two dimensions rather than one–such that, it isn’t exactly the same (linear) path as that before the reversal?

And what exactly can be said about two-dimensional motion? Or three-dimensional motion? Or the fact that space can be dissected into dimensions at all? Or that sometimes these dimensions take the form of space, sometimes time (sometimes other things?)? What do the number of dimensions to space and/or time represented? The fact that all change in the universe (if reduced to motion) has only 3 options as to how to change–3 ways it can move–yet each option, each way, offers infinite qualitative diversity, a limitlessness on the side of experience of what quality to take, but represented physically as merely a particular position taken along this dimension? These are great questions, but I’ve said all I want to say on the matter for now–the matter of causal vs. happenstance motion and how happenstance motion most likely represents the rate of change of experience–and I will certainly return to the topic of dimensions at a later time.

For now, I only wish to point out that we don’t necessarily have the right to posit that experiences are being represented by happenstance motion, but we always have the right to posit such with respect to caused motion. This will help when it comes to considerations of what counts as a “physical system” or what counts as “behavior”. Selecting an arbitrary set of particles from anywhere in the universe, for example, doesn’t necessarily count as a system in which there are corresponding experiences–even if they are moving relative to each other. Taking a particle from Alpha Centauri, for example, and considering it in relation to a particle from Earth, though definitely moving relative to each other, doesn’t necessarily entail that there must be an experience being represented by their relative motion. Whatever gravitational (or other) influence such particles have on each, the corresponding experience would have to be negligible and almost non-existent. Experiences, to any significant degree, correspond only to systems in which the moving parts are caused to move by each other.

Part IV: Applying the Principle of Causal vs. Happenstance Motion

The principle of caused vs. happenstance motion applies not only to particles separated by vast distances on a cosmic level (such that any causal influence they have on each other is negligible), but even to arbitrarily chosen particles within a tightly integrated system. If they’re chosen arbitrarily, then there’s a good chance that any relative motion between them will, to a large extent, be happenstance. An arbitrary particle from within my blood stream, for example, is moving relative to an arbitrary particle from my skull, and this movement is, to a large extent, happenstance. This is relevant to the way we imagine the experiences at the fundamental level of atoms and molecules–the experiences of their “environment”–serving as the building blocks for experiences at higher levels. We could, for instance, consider a small handful of atoms and molecules chosen arbitrarily from all over one’s body and wonder what the overall experience of that system of atoms and molecules is like, given the more basic experiences of all the 1-to-1 pairings of atoms and molecules within that system. But distinguishing between caused motion and happenstance motion reminds us that there may not even be experiences therein. If they are merely moving relative to each other (by happenstance), there isn’t necessarily an experience therein–between any 1-to-1 pair of atoms and/or molecules or within the system of atoms and molecules as a whole.

Now this can’t be said so easily for all such systems of atoms and molecules from one’s body. One could arbitrarily choose, for example, a small system of 3 atoms and/or molecules that happened to be in close proximity to each other and perhaps strongly bonded. The great majority of their motions are cause by each other (and their neighbors). So in this case, I don’t think we can brush off the question so easily–the question, that is, of how do the experiences corresponding to each pair of atom/molecules amount to the experience of the overall system. At the level of atoms and molecules themselves, we have push/pull behavior–atoms and molecules pushing and pulling on each other. The corresponding experience must serve as a purpose for that behavior, a reason the atom(s)/molecule(s) would engage in pushing and pulling. At the level of the whole group–all 3 atoms and/or molecules–we have (for lack of a better word) “triangle” behavior. They essentially form a triangle with respect to each other, and the pushing and pulling of the constituent atoms/molecules amounts to the triangle morphing and warping in shape and size. ← That’s a very different kind of behavior than pushing and pulling. It needs a very different purpose or reason for engaging in. And the question is: how do the experiences of pushing/pulling amount (collectively) to the experience of a morphing/warping triangle?

Well, again, this is the same question–the one we said we’d return to later–and we will–but not now. Rather, I’d like to address this question in a different way. I’d like to flesh out this idea of forming arbitrary systems from arbitrary parts of greater systems–arbitrary systems whose behavior must be accounted for by some experience that makes sense of it while at the same time also being the “sum” or “average” of the more basic experiences of its parts–by bringing in yet again another analogy (one that I’ve brought in before)–equations! I believe I’ve explained before that the dissection of an experience into its parts is like dividing the number 1 into a sum of fractions–for example, 1 = .25 + .75. Just as the number 1 can be divided up into any number of arbitrary fractions, so too can any physical system when its “fractions” can go all the way down to the level of atoms and molecules. What this analogy does is it shows how truly arbitrary the selection is, if for no other reason than that there are infinite choices for the selection. There are literally an infinite number of ways you can carve up 1. And while no physical system has an infinite number of atoms and molecules, the number of choices is still staggering.

Another analogy I write about in my book is that of the statue in the rock. Carving out all the component experiences out of an overall experience is like carving a statue from a rock. The fact of the matter is, the statue is in the rock–even before you cut it–its material, its structure, its form–all there waiting to be exposed. But so is every other statue you can imagine. In fact, there’s an infinite number of statues one can imagine. They’re all in the rock–and yet, none of them are–none exist yet, that is, not before the sculptress chisels away at the rock and reveals her vision.

This is why I prefer to think of all the experiences that could possibly be there within a physical system as not so much being objectively there–co-existing as it were, as if crammed together like sardines–but rather counting as all the possible ways the overall experience of the system can be expressed–like a dictionary definition requiring more words than the word being defined (<-- yet another analogy for you). Just as carving out a statue or dividing numbers can be done in an infinite number of arbitrary ways, so too can dividing experience be done in an (almost) infinite number of arbitrary ways (in fact, I plan to write a post where I cast doubt on the concept of fundamentality itself–nothing is fundamental, I say, not even fundamental particles–and so the number of ways to divide an experience may actually be infinite). What “dividing” an experience means in this case is just finding different ways of expressing the overall experience, different ways that consist of more complex systems of experiences. This works thanks to element #3 of my definition of experience–meaning!–which says that experience is fundamentally information–like the number 1, like a dictionary definition–and so different expressions of this meaning can be “equivalent”–each equally entitled to existence but none being the one “actual” experience. ← If that concept sounds cryptic, it is. I give a more lengthy exposition of my concept of “equivalence” in my book, but that’s outside the scope of this post (remind me to get back to it some day).

Where I want to go with this–this idea of an arbitrary selection of parts from a whole having its own mind–is to show how arbitrary it really is. That, coupled with the principle that not all motion is necessarily worth our attention in our investigations into experience (such motion could be just happenstance), means that when it comes to the question of how different levels in the reductive hierarchy of experiences relate to each other, we need not consider every possible (but arbitrary) collection of parts from a whole. Those collections of parts that move relative to each other by happenstance don’t even necessarily represent experiences, whereas those that move relative to each other causally are arbitrarily chosen anyway (like the 3 atoms/molecules that form a triangle), meaning that whatever experience they represent, that experience is “carved out” of the whole just as arbitrarily. When it comes to the question of how different levels of the reductive hierarchy relate to each other, we’re not interested in what a triangle made of 3 arbitrary atoms/molecules experiences. Rather, we’re interested in what happens when we move up the hierarchy on the physical side, from a given level, until we find something interesting.

Here’s what I mean by “interesting”: if we start at the level of atoms and molecules, we might consider the atoms/molecules as the basic units of this level. Then what counts as the basic units of the next level up? Would it not be two or more atoms/molecules interacting together? A system of two units? And would this system be the new unit at this level? Well, as we established earlier, these “inter-molecular” activities must come with experiences all their own, experiences that are entailed by those of the atoms and molecules themselves–the mind of the environment, we said–so we might get away with saying that, beyond the level of atoms and molecules themselves, the first interesting thing we encounter is this environment of interacting atoms and molecules. So it serves a purpose–it’s interesting–to ponder the nature of mind at this level–what the environment, as a being unto itself, experiences. Whether this environment contains 3 arbitrary atoms/molecules forming a triangle whose shape morphs with the movement of its parts is neither here nor there. It’s the environment as a whole that interests us.

Yet, if we go further up from here, we don’t find anything interesting for a while. All we find, at least for a while, is just more inter-molecular interactions. Sure, we may widen our scope to include neighboring environments of atoms and molecules, different atoms and molecules, different substances mixed in with the substance we started with–but even this takes a while to get to as we keep widening our scope. Before these interesting changes in patterns, it is all merely quantitative change–more and more of the same atoms and molecules, the same interactions between them, just more. But it seems we do, on occasion, hit these really interesting spots, and they add a qualitative twist to the change–something new, something that didn’t exist before–and when these changes happen, it’s a much more worthwhile question to ask what kinds of minds go with these new patterns.

What’s even more perplexing is how interesting levels can appear in certain physical phenomena but not others. Cells, for example, are the basic building blocks for biological life, and count as a level in the reductive hierarchy in their own right–they are the “units” at this level–and certainly interesting–but they only exist in biological life, and not (for example) in inanimate matter. What this means–anchoring “levels” of the physical reductive hierarchy to what’s “interesting”–is that where these levels lie along the axis of scale, and how many of them there are, is a matter of what phenomena we’re talking about. Sometimes you have interesting things only at the levels of atoms/molecules and ordinary every day objects (like rocks), other times you have interesting things in between (like at the cellular level). And who’s to say whether mountains constitute something interesting and therefore count as a level a bit above that of ordinary every day objects? And does empty space include 0 levels? No hierarchy at all? If “interesting” is the requirement for counting as a level in the reductive hierarchy, then the levels may not be so evenly distributed and smoothly continuous along the axis of scale after all.

So while we won’t say that experiences don’t exist between the “interesting” levels, it seems we can skip anything between the “interesting” levels–just as we would any other natural phenomenon. We explain the behavior of acid, for example, not by first talking about all the drop-sized bits of acid and then get to the molecular structure of the acid, but rather we skip the drop-sized bits (or any “pieces” of the acid between the whole and the molecules) and jump straight to the molecules and base our explanation on that. So I think it makes sense to explain the relation between the experiences at the level of atoms and molecules (within them and between them) and those at the “interesting” levels above. It makes sense to ask how the experience of a cell, for example, is derived from the experiences of the molecules and atoms forming the cell. It makes sense to ask how the steady buzz of a rock is derived from the atoms and molecules therein. It makes sense to ask how one’s experiences are derived from the collective experiences of neurons firing in one’s brain, and how the latter in turn are derived from the collective experiences of each neuron’s constituent atoms and molecules.

Part V: Answering the Original Questions

So we’re at the point where we can ask the questions I opened with and speculate on what some possible answers might look like (this is what you’ve been waiting for! :smile:). The reader might note that the word “behavior” has come up a lot when describing how physical objects or systems act or undergo change. This is important because, as stated in the OP, it is behavior that mind and experience serve the role of explaining–that is, mind (as we said) serves the role of justifying behavior, or giving reason for it, or a purpose for it. The reason I might engage in dancing when a song plays, for example, is explained by my love of the song and the way it drives me to wanna perform these bodily movements called “dancing”. Note the difference between the cause of my behavior, which is accounted for by the physiology of my body (the muscle contractions, the signals from my brain, the chemical reactions throughout the entire process that make each step possible, etc.) and the reasons (or justifications, or purpose) for my behavior, which is accounted for by the psychological or subjective experience (the love of the song). This is a basic principle of my theory–the mind serves as the reason for behavior, complimenting the causes of behavior–and it applies to all physical phenomena big or small. The issue we’ve been grappling with is how to account for the fact that some behaviors at the level of really small things are necessarily part of the behaviors at the level of big things–and yet, the behavior of big things might be nothing like that of the small things. Dancing, for instance, is hardly the same thing as the pushing and pulling of the atoms and molecules that make up the dancer (however much you may want to call that dancing in a metaphorical sense)–and so the reasons for the behaviors of the latter can’t simply be summed up or averaged to get the experience of the former. Summing or averaging a bunch of experiences that correspond to only pulls and pushes would amount to an experience that would also be that of pushing or pulling (similar to how summing or averaging black and white would only give you something like grey). So how do you get so much qualitative diversity at the higher levels from such qualitative monotony at the lower levels?

Well, if we stick to the principle of experience serving as the reason for behavior, then the answer must be in the way the behaviors at lower levels amount to the behaviors at higher levels. In other words, it’s the same question except shifted to the physical side of the equation, and put in terms of behavior as opposed to structure. Surely, it cannot be doubted that some relation must exist between, for example, a human being dancing to a tune and the behaviors of his/her atoms and molecules. Clearly, the latter do amount to the former. The only question is, how? What is the operation that one must put all behaviors at the level of atoms and molecules through in order to get, as a result, the behavior of the overall system? What formula must be applied? What mathematical function? It’s obviously not summing or averaging (though those work fine as loose metaphors to help get a working idea). What about the analogy of dictionary definitions? We said earlier that breaking an experience into smaller components is like breaking a word into a collection of other words strung together into a definition for that word. Does this analogy shed any light on the question? Well, I’m not sure the process by which we form dictionary definitions is any clearer than that by which behaviors are broken down into smaller behaviors. It’s true that the definition of a word can hardly be explained as the sum or average of the definitions of the words making up the lengthy description we find in the dictionary, but this only gives us an alternate analogy (a useful one as it highlights how summing or averaging may not be the only way to think about it) and it doesn’t necessarily bring us any closer to what the analogies collectively stand for. The analogy of word definitions seems just as obscure as that of summing or averaging. It’s not at all obvious that any of these analogies represent the same process that behaviors at the micro level go through to become behaviors at the macro level (I personally doubt it). So what is the process? What is the formula? What do we have to do with a bunch of pulls and pushes to get: (pull) + (push) + (another pull) + (another push) … = dancing? What is the operator that would substitute for + in this equation that would give us “dancing” in the end? If we could find an answer to this question, we could see how it carries over to the side of experience and therefore get an answer to our original question.

But unfortunately, I don’t have the answer we’re looking for even on the side of physics. I don’t know how to describe a collection of pulls and pushes such that it amounts to a description of dancing, but at least I know this: there obviously is a connection between the pulls and pushes of atoms and molecules and the overall behavior of dancing. It’s a scientific fact about the real world. In fact, it seems possible, in principle, that a clever thinker could come up with something. This tells us that there must be a similar connection between experiences at the level of atoms and molecules and those at the level of more macroscopic phenomena. While I cannot elucidate on what this connection is (maybe the clever reader can?), we can be assured it must exist, and it hinges on behavior. We can say that the experiences at the level of atoms and molecules amount, at the macroscopic level, to experiences that serve as the reasons for the behavior that emerges at that level. While I cannot shed any further light on the details of this equation, I can say that one should not expect the output of this equation to be simply a shade of grey midway between the input experiences (like a sum or average of black and white). Since the behaviors at the macroscopic level are totally new and qualitatively distinct from those at the microscopic level, so too should we expect the experiences to be totally new and qualitatively distinct. What ties them together is not summation or averaging but a mutual requirement to serve as the reason for the behavior at each level. However these behaviors are connected, that determines how the reasons are connected.

This answers one of the three questions we started this post with–namely, how we get so much qualitative diversity at higher levels from qualitative monotony at lower levels. The reader may be disappointed with this answer given that I was unable to fully flesh out the connection between behaviors at lower levels and those at higher levels, but the question rested on a misconception that, if done away with, wouldn’t have raised the question in the first place–namely, that qualitative diversity can only emerge from components that are just as, if not more, qualitatively diversity. This most likely comes from assuming that the qualities at lower levels must be summed or averaged to get the qualities at higher levels. That’s how we would equate different levels in terms of physical structure, after all, saying the whole is the sum of the parts. While this may work for physical structure, it doesn’t for behavior or experience. One should not get new qualities out of such operations, one would think. If one summed up a bunch of numbers, one would still get a number. If one averaged a bunch of numbers, one would still get a number. These are quantitative differences, not qualitative–just greater or lesser pulls, greater or lesser pushes. But I feel that if I can dispense with this misconception such that one is no longer so perplexed that something new and qualitatively distinct comes out of operations performed on qualitatively monotonous inputs (whatever that operation might be), then the spirit of the question is addressed. And given that I showed how this must be the case with physical behaviors–that a new and qualitatively distinct behavior comes out of operations performed on a collection of smaller input behaviors–we ought to expect it to hold on the side of experience, thereby inverting the original misconception and rendering the question moot.

Now, when it comes to the other two questions–1) how does the flow of certain experiences count as necessary when they feel so subjective and arbitrary (like the theme of Indiana Jones being adventure)? And 2) why don’t subtle differences in the atomic/molecular activities in our neurons seem to contribute to the experience we have when those neurons fire?–we need to bring in the concept of epistemic awareness. Again, epistemic awareness is awareness by knowing, as opposed to experiential awareness which is awareness by experiencing. If you feel pain in your finger, that’s experiential awareness. You simply feel the pain. If you say “Oh, I’m feeling pain in my finger!” that’s epistemic awareness. You know about the pain. If you have experiential awareness without epistemic awareness, then we can say you feel the experience unconsciously. You feel it without knowing it. This distinction was useful for explaining why, if our minds are all one with the mind of the universe, we don’t feel all experiences in existence. We do feel all experiences, but we are only epistemically aware of the ones we can acknowledge and focus our attention on (which happen to be the ones that constitute our conscious minds). A similar answer can be given for the two questions above.

Starting with the question of how we can say all entailment (flow) is grounded on necessity even when it seems arbitrary and subjective, let me start by saying it usually doesn’t feel arbitrary. It may feel subjective, but all experiences are subjective, even the ones in which the necessity of entailment is glaringly obvious (like rational thought). But associating the theme of Indian Jones with adventure doesn’t feel arbitrary. We aren’t forming this association by making a random decision about what the theme represents. It seems, in my experience anyway, that the theme of Indiana Jones does mean adventure–that it is “built into” the music itself–just as a word like “dog” has a specific meaning and we interpret it thus without feeling this interpretation is arbitrary. When we say the association is arbitrary, we are most likely thinking about how such an association is formed. We can imagine, in other words, a different culture in which the Indiana Jones theme was played to themes of sadness, sorrow, and tragedy, and we would expect people of that culture to interpret it thus. We understand that these kinds of associations are conditioned into us and don’t come from anything inherent to the song itself. But this is the conclusion we come to when stepping back from the actual experience and contemplate it from a different perspective, an “impartial observer” perspective. But when it comes to the experience itself, we can just “feel” the theme of adventure packaged into the music itself–like it’s supposed to denote adventure.

Yet, this is still not enough to detect necessity. In my book, I opt for “justified”. It feels justified to say that the theme of Indiana Jones connotes adventure. If I were working on a movie with scenes of adventure, I might consider the Indiana Jones theme (or something similar) arguing that this theme is “justified” because it does seem to connote adventure. Where the necessity comes in is at the level of the atoms and molecules in our brains and how the experiences therein amount, at the level of neurons, to a steady buzz that the neurons involved in interpreting the theme of the music feel. When these neurons are dormant, they are inert, and so feel only the steady buzz. When they are firing, they feel the musical theme (this is simply the way inert matter gives way to dynamic matter, as we talked about above). And just as with syllogisms, it sometimes takes two experiences (like two premises) to entail a third experience (like a conclusion). In this case, it takes the steady buzz of the dormant neurons and the experience of music of the active neurons in order to entail the theme (or meaning) of the music once the former fires. The experience of the music comes from the activities of the neurons stimulating the ones that feel the steady buzz. The steady buzz itself just comes from the neurons’ existence (they are inert after all). Looking at this physically, we would say it requires two prerequisite conditions in order to stimulate the neurons responsible for our interpreting the theme of music: 1) the firing of the antecedent neurons (the ones responsible for simply hearing the music), and 2) the neurons themselves (the dormant one). The latter just have to exist in order to be stimulated–and this mere existence represents, on the side of experience, the steady buzz. But what does the steady buzz contribute to the flow of experience that makes the entailment of the theme necessary? So far, it still seems only justified (if that).

The answer is that if we knew what the steady buzz felt like–what it means–we would see why, when coupled with the experience of the music, it necessarily must mean the theme is [whatever]. But we don’t know what this steady buzz feels like because it is epistemically unconscious. Why? Because there is nothing about the activities of the atoms and molecules in the neurons that sends signals to the cognitive centers where we can acknowledge the experiences we are having and enable our epistemic awareness of them. So the neurons sitting there in a dormant state, even if they are experientially aware of the steady buzz, don’t entail any epistemic awareness of the steady buzz. So we are only epistemically aware of the music we hear. Thus, we fail to see the necessity for the same reason that having only one premise in a syllogism isn’t enough to necessarily entail the conclusion. In this analogy, it’s as if the missing premise were actually there but we were unconscious of it. This is why the flow of the experience feels justified even though we may fail to see the necessity. The feeling of justification is the feeling of necessity but we cannot analyze the experience to find all the components therein (all the premises) and so we come up short in being able to demonstrate the necessity (even to ourselves). Yet because all component experiences are there, being felt, we do end up feeling the necessity in their flow–it feels like the Indiana Jones theme must mean adventure–but we can’t prove it and so we settle for “justified”.

And if you think about it, this makes perfect sense of the conditioning that put all these neurons into place. As stated earlier, the arbitrariness with which it seems music is associated with themes and genres in our minds is mostly a matter of social conditioning. We learn to associate the Indiana Jones theme with adventure by the way they’re paired together in our experience (the same way we learn language). Well, is this not how the neurons in our brains get connected to each other? If the mere presence of a neuron counts as one of the preconditions for the neuron’s firing, then don’t we have conditioning to thank for that? And maybe the conditioning didn’t establish the neuron’s existence per se but its being connected to certain neighboring neurons, the ones responsible for stimulating it into firing, but this too is an important precondition. It must have the right inter-neuronal connections in order to be stimulated into firing from a specific set of neighboring neurons and not another. And this simply translates into a different quality of steady buzz on the side of experience (remember, the exact structure of an inert object determines the exact quality of its steady buzz, and a neuron’s interconnections with its neighbors counts as part of its structure). This difference in quality of the steady buzz can make or break the flow of experience–it can, in other words, enable the entailing of the experience corresponding to the neuron’s firing or it can disable it–just as swapping out a premise in a syllogism for another can make or break the conclusion. Social conditioning, in other words, handles the shuffling and rearranging of the epistemically unconscious steady buzzes corresponding to our neurons in their dormant states.

As for the last question–why don’t we feel subtle changes in a given experience (say, the sound of a note) when there are subtle changes in the atomic/molecular activity of the neurons corresponding to that experience?–it receives a similar treatment. That is, epistemic awareness (or unconsciousness) can be brought in to answer it. Whatever the molecular activities in a given neuron–the firing of that neuron only has one effect on the cognitive centers of our brains–it only stimulates our acknowledgement of its experience or it doesn’t, it only enables our epistemic awareness or it doesn’t. What the atoms and molecules are doing within the neuron, unless they actually make a difference to the neurons ability to stimulate our acknowledgement and epistemic awareness in the cognitive centers, is neither here nor there. In fact, one could say that different activities on the part of the atoms and molecules within the neuron do make a difference to what we experience when the neuron fires (or even what we experience when the neuron doesn’t fire), but unless we have some way of being epistemically aware of such differences, we are only ever going to be epistemically aware (if that) of the presence of the experience (and perhaps that the experience feels like X and not Y). In other words, there can sometimes be (and often is) a range of different qualities in the experience we’re able to acknowledge without our being epistemically aware of that range or where exactly within that range the experience being acknowledged lies.

Now, the same question can be brought over to the neurons responsible for our acknowledgements and our epistemic awareness themselves. That is to say, it stands to question whether variations in the atomic/molecular activities within the neurons of even our acknowledgements and epistemic awareness make a difference to how it feels to acknowledge and be epistemically aware of experiences. If such variations do make a difference, it simply means that such acknowledgements and epistemic awareness feel different every time they’re invoked (though probably not by a lot) even when in relation to the same experience being acknowledged. Be that as it may, there still isn’t anything that could make us epistemically aware of such differences. There is nothing in the brain that is sensitive, and therefore reacts differently, to differences in the atomic/molecular activity of neurons corresponding to acknowledgements or epistemic awareness of other experiences. Thus, if we acknowledge a particular experience at one time differently than how we acknowledge the same experience at another time, we would have no way of knowing about it. Hence, I would say this very well may, and probably does, happen in the human brain without resulting in the suspension of any assumption that when we have a particular experience (say pain from a prick to the finger), we feel it the same way every time. We have no opportunity to prove this assumption wrong, and so we may go our entire lives not recognizing that we actually experience something like a prick on the finger differently every time.

Part VI: Conclusion

Wow, that was a long post! But I think it was necessary. The questions posed at the beginning of this post, and answered at the end, would eventually arise in the mind of anyone trying to understand my theory and thought it through in great detail (which I know you all do). Therefore, I felt it was in order to give my answers to these question if only to bolster the robustness of the logic and reasoning of my theory and give the reader more confidence that it works after all. And yet, there are indefinitely more questions that surely arise in such a mind. Therefore, my work in this thread is not done. I plan to post on other such questions and deliver my answers the best I can. But for now, this wraps up my thoughts on the universal experiences of matter in general and how they answer the questions above.

Dude. Gib. I like you a lot but what the fuck?

Consciousness happens when existence tries to be itself. Since it tried to be itself as infinity. It can’t count itself. This causes motion and sentience. Self recursion.

It will always be this way.

Another thing to add to this, is that all souls have to be different. Otherwise everything would be exactly the same which is nothing at all.

Existence doesn’t have to try to be itself. Do or do not, Ec. There is no try. Did the great master Yoda teach you nothing?

You’re taking this out of context Ichthus.

Existence doesn’t have to be itself except when infinity happens.

But it can never catch up with itself being itself in the context of infinity.

This is where we butt heads.

You believe in the supreme one.

I don’t. The irony is that you think I’m arrogant for saying that. That I’m not the one.

I’ll add to this Ichthus.

I have a lot of extremely powerful friends in existence.

When we talk amongst ourselves about people who believe in the great and only one forever and ever.

We don’t give those people power.

We know that’s all they want.

You can walk up and shoot me dead right now. Even worse, and I won’t stop you.

You’re not a cosmic being Ichthus.

You want the glory, you want the power.

That’s true of ALL beings who believe in the ONE.

I’ll explain more than the last two posts.

I can go into power mode.

I chose to be in all your hands instead.

You must quibble amongst yourselves what to do with my life.

It will bring you all together

Wow, looks like I forgot to check in on this thread in a while. Ecmandu and Itchy, let me respond to your posts.

Ecmandu wrote:

Dude. Gib. I like you a lot but what the fuck?

← I know, right?! :smiley:

Consciousness happens when existence tries to be itself. Since it tried to be itself as infinity. It can’t count itself. This causes motion and sentience. Self recursion.

← Yes, I remember you saying this before. I asked some follow up questions, IIRC, but never got a response (or did but then ignored it). Let’s try this again. Let’s start with: 1) How does existence “try” to be itself? Isn’t it already itself? 2) So in trying to be itself, which it wasn’t (yet), it decided it was infinity and so tried to be infinity? And succeeded? And that’s why we have infinity? 3) And why can’t it count itself? Seems easy. One! There, done. But it’s inability to count itself is why we have motion and sentience? Idungetit. You’ve gotta unpack this one for me. →

It will always be this way.

← Why? Because infinity extends into time? Creating eternity? →

Another thing to add to this, is that all souls have to be different. Otherwise everything would be exactly the same which is nothing at all.

And now I have to ask about this. So a world in which all souls are the same makes everything the same in that world? Are souls the only things that exist? And what if all souls were the same? That would just mean the world is filled with so many (or maybe infinite) carbon copies of souls, but not that it would amount to nothing at all.

BTW, I noticed you posted this Jan 16… wow!

Ichthus77 wrote:

Existence doesn’t have to try to be itself. Do or do not, Ec. There is no try. Did the great master Yoda teach you nothing?

Exactly! Existence just is. That’s sort of how it’s defined. You listen to Itchy, Ec, she could teach you a thing or two! :wink:

Ecmandu wrote:

You’re taking this out of context Ichthus.

Existence doesn’t have to be itself except when infinity happens.

← I’m going to take a stab at this… you mean to say that if existence is anything other than infinity–like for example if it’s a particular slice in time, a particular state the universe is in at a particular point in time–then it doesn’t have to be itself. Why? Because instantly it changes. It never sits still. Thus, it’s never itself, not for any extended period of time. I’m still struggling to figure out why this is a consequence of its inability to count itself but… →

But it can never catch up with itself being itself in the context of infinity.

← Still fitting my interpretation →

This is where we butt heads.

You believe in the supreme one.

I don’t. The irony is that you think I’m arrogant for saying that. That I’m not the one.

Now, now kids, let’s not get pissy. What does Itchy mean by “supreme one” (Itchy?) And how does that contrast with your view of existence, Ecmandu. Does the impossibility of the universe ever being able to catch up with itself in the context of infinity imply that the universe never really is itself (even though it became itself already)? That it really isn’t anything? Let alone a supreme one?

Ecmandu wrote:

I’ll add to this Ichthus.

I have a lot of extremely powerful friends in existence.

← Right, you know demons. Is it like having friends in the mafia? →

When we talk amongst ourselves about people who believe in the great and only one forever and ever.

We don’t give those people power.

We know that’s all they want.

← Now, c’mon, that’s not fair. →

You can walk up and shoot me dead right now. ← Wwwhy? → Even worse, and I won’t stop you.

← If Itch wanted to shoot you, you probably wouldn’t even know she was there. →

You’re not a cosmic being Ichthus.

← Really? Itch, you told me you were!!! →

You want the glory, you want the power.

← …and the sex and the drugs and the fame and the money… did I miss anything? →

That’s true of ALL beings who believe in the ONE.

It’s no mystery that you two have a bitter history (no rhyme intended). But can we start over like civilized adults? Let’s all find something to agree on. I know! My theory! :smiley:

Ecmandu wrote:

I’ll explain more than the last two posts.

I can go into power mode.

← Is that what you call drinking a Red Bull? →

I chose to be in all your hands instead.

← Like we could choose to crush you at any moment and you’re ok with that? →

You must quibble amongst yourselves what to do with my life.

← Oh, trust me, we’ll be spending hours →

It will bring you all together

Well, if that’s what it takes to come together, I will start a thread on that very issue soon… but not today.

Jan 16… Jesus!

Part 1–Equivalence

Today, I want to introduce my concept of “equivalence”. This is an important concept for a theory like mine as my theory rests on a concept of substance that has meaning at its core. It has being and quality at its core as well, as you know (if you’ve been reading), but meaning places it apart from the concept of ordinary matter in such a unique way that it turns our whole understanding of reality up-side-down (not just in what reality contains but what reality–the very fabric thereof–is). Whereas a materialistic picture of the universe would have material objects simply “existing” in an objective sense (independently of any observer), our theory has the existence of material objects, and other non-material things, rooted in the experience thereof. And since experience rests on meaning (as well as being and quality), it not only behaves according to a wholly different set of dynamics, a wholly different set of “laws”, but its essential nature is radically different. For example, we already know it renders a relativistic picture of reality (relative to the experiencer) whereby whether a thing exists or not depends on whether it is being experienced or not and exists only relative to that experiencer. It also renders a picture of reality as fundamentally information as opposed to “objects” or “stuff”, and this has a profound implication for the objectivity of the existence of things. We can no longer simply state that a thing either exists or doesn’t. My concept of equivalence enters the picture to help elucidate these radical changes in how we understand reality under my theory. We’ve already seen, in my previous set of posts, how a question arises as to how the experiences corresponding the molecular and atomic activity relates to the experiences corresponding to the macroscopic objects that those molecules and atoms constitute, and it isn’t clear that a simple description like “summation” or “average” cuts it. While we won’t be returning to this question, we will introduce the concept of equivalence and show how it helps us understand this question, and many others, from a clearer perspective.

Equivalence is meant to be contrasted with identity. Identity is the rule for material/objective universes. If a rock, for example, reduces to a network of atoms, we say that the rock and the network of atoms are identical. They are two ways of thinking of the same entity. Equivalence, on the other hand, denotes the relation between these ways of thinking without deferring to the object they refer to. In other words, while the object may be one and the same, the two ways of thinking about it are (obviously) not. But we can say they are equivalent–you can think of it as a rock or as a network of atoms–maybe both at the same time–but more generally, equivalence is the property that two or more modes or articulations of expression share in common of being interchangeable with each other, with neither one being the “right” mode/articulation or the “wrong” mode/articulation. I can interchange “rock” with “network of atoms” in any statement or utterance and either way is perfectly fine and valid. But the fact that an interchange must occur means they are different, not identical.

My theory of consciousness makes special use of the concept of equivalence because it is a subjectivist theory which removes the divide between perceived and perceiver, between experience and experienced, and merges both concepts into one. Therefore, unlike the rock and the network of atoms in a material/objectivist context, there is no common object or referent that multiple modes of experience can be said to be of, no experience-independent entity that gives rise to a plethora of different ways of being experienced. We only have (sets of) experiences that can be described as (possibly) similar, but not one and the same, and no extraneous entity outside them that can be said to be that which is being experienced. This raises some problems of identity in my theory which need to be fleshed out.

Consider, for example, the binomial theorem:

(x + 2)(x - 2) = x^2 - 4

What is it about the left-hand side of the equation that makes it equal to the right-hand side? Common sense tells us that it is the fact that they are two expressions of the same quantity–so they are identical. But if so, what is this one identity they both share? Is it something that lies “behind” the expressions? Does it lie far off in some mystical realm of numbers and mathematical relations, of truths, a realm akin to Plato’s forms?

Well, one could say this, but not without recognizing the mental status of this realm and everything in it. That is, if these two expressions do correspond to a single number or a preferred mathematical expression, then this entity is no less in the head than the expressions themselves. Thus, it too is but another mode or articulation of experience expressing the same thing–perhaps more succinctly or in a preferred way–but another mode/articulation nonetheless.

Consider a chalkboard on which the binomial equation was written except that no equal sign conjoined the left- and right-hand expressions so that one who is unfamiliar with the binomial equation would have no indication that they are indeed equal. Visually apprehending each expression, one who is familiar with the basic rules and notations of algebra understands that (x + 2)(x - 2) means that a quantity x with 2 added to it is multiplied by the same quantity x with 2
subtracted from it. Likewise, one understands that x^2 - 4 means the quantity x is raised to the second power and has 4 subtracted from it. Therefore, the visual apprehensions of each lead to two different conceptual apprehensions.

Nonetheless, these conceptions cannot be identical since the one apprehending them still fails to appreciate the central implication of the binomial theorem–namely, that the two conceptions are equal. But this remains true even for those who do appreciate the binomial theorem, for the conceptions in their heads should be no different. Everyone with a rudimentary understanding of algebra should conceptualize (x + 2)(x - 2) the same way–as x with 2 added multiplied by x with 2 subtracted–as they should x^2 - 4, regardless of whether or not they recognize the equality between them. The only difference is that those who recognize the binomial theorem
understand the two expressions to represent a single mathematical entity.

If we were to denote this entity with another variable, say y, then we could write it out, appending it, with an equal sign, to the right of the two expressions above. We would then see that it is just another expression, succinct as it might be.

(x + 2)(x - 2) = x^2 - 4 = y

What this means, however, is that, whether written out or simply held in the conceptual recesses of our minds, this entity is merely another expression–another way of articulating (x + 2)(x - 2) and x^2 - 4–that has no more claim to the underlying reality of the entity being expressed than the latter two expressions. It is no more the bearer of the formal identity of these expressions than the expressions themselves. The question now is: if each one harbors its own unique identity, in what way can we still say they are equal, for we most certainly don’t want to deny this?

Enter “equivalence”–what we ought to say about the equation above is, not so much that the equality denotes an identity–as though they are one and the same thing underneath the diversity of expressions—but that they are equivalent. We ought to say this about certain other experiences as well. Some experiences bear a special relation to each other such that they are, like the mathematical expressions above, not identical but interchangeable.

I maintain that this is only possible for information, for meaning, for description–not for objective material reality. One does not interchange physical objects the same way one does information–that is, one does not swap out the rock for the network of atoms–they are both there simultaneously, constituting an identity, a single thing. But with information and meaning, one can swap out one expression for an equivalent other without disrupting the overall identity of the whole of which they are parts.

Well, this all makes sense when it comes to mathematics (maybe), but when would this apply to experiences? A prime example is when we consider what I describe in my book as the “uniform and homogenous” quality of an experience, and then imagine it being broken up into its component experiences. The blue of the sky on a clear day, for example, is uniform and homogenous–not a lot of qualitative diversity therein, not a lot of details–unlike the experience of seeing a park–in which there is plenty of qualitative diversity and details. Nevertheless, we can imagine the experience of seeing a park as a single uniform and homogeneous experience if we consider “seeing a park” as the defining property of that experience–as if we lacked the capacity to analyze it and break it down into its details. Yet, we can also imagine, much more easily, that this experience is decomposable into more basic experiences–such as seeing a playground, a park bench, a pond, and children playing. In this case, it would be more accurate to say that the latter set of experiences, taken together, is equivalent to the singular experience of seeing a park.

But it might seem that an identity is also formed here. After all, isn’t seeing a park just the sum of the component experiences thus considered? When we talk about “seeing a park”, are we not also talking about the collective experience of seeing a playground, a park bench, a pond, and children playing?

A better example will show how this is not necessarily the case. Consider the sight of the park bench. We can decompose this experience even further–we can talk about the sight of wood planks, of bolts, of metal stands. Consider one of the bolts. We can decompose this sight into scratches, dents, chips, and other blemishes. Consider a tiny speck. Now comes the crucial step. Can the sight of the speck be decomposed even further? Well, if it’s barely visible, it wouldn’t seem so. A speck, for all intents and purposes, is about as small as you can get, at least for the visual experience.

But now consider the idea of epistemic awareness. Is the experience of seeing a speck really un-decomposable? Or does it simply represent the limits of our epistemic awareness of the details? In other words, could there be further details below the level of the speck that we are simply incapable of knowing about? (Sure, we could move closer, but I’m talking about the visual experience of seeing a speck–what details can we make out in that?) After all, the neural circuitry in the brain corresponding to the sight of the speck must consist of at least a few neurons. And even a single neuron consists of complexity and a diversity of parts–microtubules, proteins, DNA, a protective membrane, a nucleus to house the DNA–which suggests that any experience corresponding to the neuron’s firing must equally consist of a complexity and diversity of parts, of details, of heterogenous qualities, like unconsciously seeing a Persian rug.

The reader might note that we are using epistemic awareness here to explain more clearly what I mean by the “uniformity and homogeneity” of experiences. That is, when I say that experiences ought to be conceptualized as uniform and homogeneous, I am talking about what it feels like to be epistemically aware of an experience. If we notice meticulous details in an experience, such as when we look at a Persian rug, this reflects the multitude of experiences being acknowledged, acknowledgements being entailed by each detail in question. In other words, a complex, heterogeneous experience like this is actually a collection of more simple, homogeneous experiences of which we are epistemically aware. If there are no more fine-grained acknowledgements below the level of the smallest details, the details must be considered uniform and homogeneous. We can only be epistemically aware of so much detail, and beyond a certain limit, we can make out nothing more. (Conversely, I point out in my book that some experiences, such as that of seeing a cup, are more than the sum of their parts–the essence of the cup–and therefore are already uniform and homogeneous by virtue of being something distinct from the details or the whole, but that’s a slightly different concept.)

For our present purposes, if we can get away with thinking of the essential quality of these homogenous experiences as the “average” of the unique and diverse qualities of all their components–much like the overall colors of the pixels on a screen are the average of their red, green, and blue components–then we are lead to conclude that we are only epistemically aware of this average. And there you have it. The uniformity and homogeneity of an experience amounts to an average. The sight of the speck is the average of all its component experiences, the latter hidden in epistemic unconsciousness.

While it may not seem so, the experience of “seeing a park”–plain and simple as that–must be a uniform and homogenous experience because all its details–a playground, a park bench, a pond, children playing–must average too. And that average would be the whole experience of seeing a park. It may be hard to imagine the experience of seeing a park as uniform and homogenous because our brains are wired to acknowledge the details–to be aware of them–and so it seems intuitive that seeing a park is a complex of diverse qualities and parts–but I maintain the uniform and homogenous experience of simply “seeing a park” is in there too. It’s what we experience when we pay no attention to the details–like recognizing a car coming when we want to cross the street–we aren’t interested in the car’s details, we just mean to identify oncoming traffic to be sure it’s safe to cross the road–and so we experience simply “a car”. The same can be said about seeing a park. We can talk about its myriad details but we don’t have to–we can also talk about just the wholistic experience of seeing the park–plain and simple–and in such cases, it’s best, I maintain, to consider it the uniform and homogenous average of all its details.

But here’s the catch–there isn’t really an average. If you take a bunch of test scores and derive the average, chances are that no one test taker scored it. A similar reasoning applies to the color of a pixel. A pixel may look orange from far away, but there are only certain degrees of red, green, and blue–no orange. It other words, when we look at the details, we don’t see the average among them, like an extra test score or an extra color among the group.

But perhaps it’s too much of a stretch to say that the average doesn’t exist. After all, in the case of test scores, the average comes into existence when the tester calculates it. Likewise, the color orange comes into existence when the viewer sees it from a distance (or the colors mix). But how does the average experience come into existence from its components? How does the speck we see on the bolt actually exist as a visual experience if no such experience exists at the level of its components, at the level of molecular and chemical activity in our neurons? It’s like supposing that a group of 10 people come with a collective mind that is the average or sum of all the individual minds. But if so, who experiences this collective mind? It’s not any one of the individuals because each one experiences only his or her mind. The only possibility is that this collective mind must constitute its own person or being, as if there is an eleventh member of the group. But an eleventh member just means there are really eleven people, not ten, and one must then consider the collective mind of all eleven members, a twelfth mind. I’m sure the read sees the infinite regress that lurks in waiting in this scenario. And more to the point, what is the mechanism by which the minds of the 10 original members yields an eleventh mind? In the case of the rock and the network of atoms, this question is answered easily: the network of atoms gives rise to the rock because the former is identical to the latter–it necessarily is the latter–but with equivalence, we are talking about the experience of the atoms and the experience of the rock, and these are not identical.

The solution is to remind ourselves that if the average experience (or the sum) is equivalent to the collection of the component experiences, then it is interchangeable with them. If the details of the speck on the bolt are beyond the reach of our epistemic awareness, but we nevertheless see the speck as a sort of collective experience of the whole, then what is happening is simply that the component experiences (the collection thereof) are being swapped out for the average (or sum). We are not saying that the component experiences are, collectively, identical to the average, that they constitute the average; we are saying they are equivalent to the average, interchangeable with it. To understand how this brings the average experience into being, or onto the same ontological footing as the component experiences, we have to understand, in a very profound way, what it means for these experiences to be expressions of the same meaning. It means that it doesn’t matter which expression–whether that of the component experiences collectively or their average–we employ. We could either express those experiences corresponding to the molecular and chemical activity–or–the average, the speck on the bolt. Neither one has priority over the other. The two are interchangeable.

There are two conditions under which this holds: 1) when one whole experience, uniform and homogenous, reduces to a set of component experiences, and 2) when the meaning of a set of experiences is identical to that of another set of different experiences. In both cases, we are justified in describing the meaning of each set of experiences as identical–not equivalent, identical–because when it comes to sets of experiences, the meaning of such sets must be an average or a sum (or whatever best describes the unification of their meaning). So whereas each experience in the set has its own unique meaning, the meaning of the set itself cannot be attached to any one experience and must be understood as the derivative of the averaging or summing of all meanings therein. In that case, the singular meaning of each set, though their members might have no similarities to each other whatsoever, can be said to be one and the same–like the same meaning in two poems–and therefore identical–much like the averages of two sets of test scores, if equal, are said to be identical. The same holds for the equivalence between one set of experiences and one single experience on its own. It is by virtue of this point that we can say that the same meaning can be described by a variety of qualitatively distinct sets of experiences.

It is no different with mathematics or with meaning in ordinary language. With mathematics, one could take, say, a single number like 1 and substitute it with an expression like .5 + .5, and it would still signify the same quantity. One could choose from a whole variety of expressions such as .1 + .9, or .25 + .25 + .25 + .25, or 10 - 9, or 1 - 1 + 1, and so on. With meaning, one could take, say, a single word like “horse” and replace it with any of the definitions found in a typical dictionary, such as “a large four-legged animal with solid hooves and a mane and tail of long, coarse hair.” In both these cases, neither mode of expression takes precedence over the others. No one is more “real” or more “true.” There may be one whose use is more convenient or succinct than the others, but certainly not any less valid or “correct”.

It is the same with the meaning of experiences. For all conditions under which equivalence is the type of relation two or more experiences bear to each other, those experiences are interchangeable and it doesn’t matter which one is described–either by us or by the experiences themselves.

Comprehending this concept may prove difficult. We are used to thinking of things as objectified entities residing in existence in the sense that a model of reality based in objectivist materialism would portray them. It is extremely difficult, therefore, not to do this for experiences, but we must try to remember that in a subjectivist model of reality, such as my theory, experiences play the role of the basis for things to be real. Experiences are not objects in existence any more than the meaning of words on a page are physically there in the page itself. Experiences are the very fabric of reality–the material of the box itself, not its contents–and determine, in the final analysis, what is real and what is not. If one is experiencing red, green, and blue (taken metaphorically), it would make no sense to say that the person is really experiencing orange even though he may not know it. In a context like objectivist materialism, this might make sense because the “true” character of an experience can be one way objectively even though it may not seem so subjectively. But in a subjectivist context, the subjective experience itself is the only thing defining what’s real. So if the individual only experiences red, green, and blue, then only red, green, and blue exist. What the foregoing discussion on equivalence says about the orange that these red, green, and blue experiences are equivalent to is that this orange is a separate experience, not a mix of the red, green, and blue, not what the red, green, and blue “really” are, but that as the average or sum of the latter, it is being experienced too–not by the individual but by (we might say) a consciousness on a higher level in the reductive hierarchy, that is the average of the individual’s experiences of red, green, and blue. And so orange does indeed exist but not because that’s what the individual is “really” (objectively) experiencing (unbeknownst to him), but because the experiences of red, green, and blue are equivalent to that of orange (their average), and so they share the same meaning and are interchangeable, and there is no fact of the matter which actually exists and which doesn’t.

(We avoid the infinite regress problem mentioned above here because we are describing the relation between experiences at different levels of the reductive hierarchy, where as the derivation of the 12th person in the scenario above didn’t concern itself with relating lower levels of the hierarchy to higher levels; it grabbed the 10 minds of the original individuals from one level, the mind of the 11th individual from a higher level, and inferred a 12th from that in (what?) a realm on the side?).

The reason why the analogies of mathematics and the meaning of words found in a dictionary work so well is because experiences are more similar to these than they are to physical objects (primarily because they are founded on meaning and information). To imagine experiences as objects (objectification) makes it all the more difficult to understand how there could be one particular experience, yet another experience standing in for it without coexisting with it–that either description of the universe is a proper one. Yet there is no basis upon which we can identify any one experience as the “real” one and the others simply waiting to pop into existence should there be a need to replace it. Where their being is concerned, they are all on equal footing; yet this is not to say that they coexist–like two poems written differently yet with the same meaning–just that it is either/or–that is, it is either one experience or the other, but without a determined answer to the question “Which is it?”

Something else that depends solely on its description, taken straight out of physics, is the relative motion of objects. Einstein’s relativity theory tells us that for an object to move relative to another, to say which object is moving and which is fixed really depends on one’s description (or frame of reference). If one describes the first object as moving relative to the second–whether in words or merely by his or her own senses–then that is a legitimate description and is, for all intents and purposes, true. If, however, he or she describes the second object as moving relative to the first, that too is a legitimate and true description. It’s not as though one description is the “right” one and all others “wrong”, but it isn’t as though both descriptions are true simultaneously either. It’s that they are interchangeable. The same reasoning applies to time dilation. When one approaches the speed of light, his or her time passes more slowly than does the time of someone else who remains at rest. Yet neither one’s clock measures time at the “right” rate. It depends on whose description we consult. Thus, the theory of relativity is yet another useful analogy for understanding the notion of interchangeable experiences and the concept of equivalence.

To offer yet another analogy, we can revisit the concept of the statue in the rock we considered in a previous post. We noted the difficulty with which we can talk about the actual existence of the statue before it is carved out. In one sense, the statue doesn’t exist yet. There is only the rock. The sculptor has yet to create it. In another sense, the statue is there inside the rock, always has been, and only needs to be exposed by chiseling away at the excess surrounding it. In fact, an infinitude of statues exists in the rock, each exposable by the sculptor’s choice of what to chisel away, her choice of how to describe the rock. Do we say that the rock and all the possible statues the sculptor can carve out “coexist”?–as if they are each distinct objects in their own right crammed together in the same space?–or do we say their existence depends on the description we bring to bear on it? We can describe it as simply a rock–there is only the rock, plain and simple–or we can describe it as a statue hidden by excess rock debris that surrounds and clings to it until the sculptor chisels it away. Whether a plain rock or a statue concealed by excess rock debris, these descriptions are equivalent but not identical.

At this point, it should be obvious where equivalence is best applied: to the reduction of experiences from higher scales to lower scales. If it were physical reduction we were considering, we could still speak in terms of identity. We would still say that a rock and the network of atoms that make up that rock are identical, one and the same. But where the reduction of experiences is concerned, we need to speak in terms of equivalence–at least, when we want to describe the experiences at higher scales as uniform and homogenous (or less heterogenous, at least), and those at lower scales as the heterogenous pieces whose average or sum amount to the homogenous whole at the higher scale. We would say that the uniform and homogenous experience at the higher scale–say that had by a galaxy–is equivalent, but not identical, to the experiences of its atoms and molecules considered collectively. Nowhere among the latter do we find the former, and visa-versa, so to describe them as identical is not an option. But they share a common meaning and are therefore interchangeable. That is to say, it doesn’t matter which we consider real, and in fact there is no fact of the matter which is real. Yet it is not as though they coexist–side by side–like a set of test scores and the average the tester derives from a bit of computation–their interchangeability tells us it is either/or but without a determined answer to which it is.

This isn’t to say that the reduction from higher scale entities to lower scale entities is the only example of equivalence but it is definitely one such example. Another might be one set of experiences that entail another set of experiences–as in how the energy in our brains flows from one state to another, corresponding to our experiences flowing from one state to another. This is entailment. But not all such examples of entailment are examples of equivalence, obviously, as the case of seeing a shiny green bike might remind me of a bike I had when I was a kid (the bike I see before me is obviously not interchangeable with a memory of a bike I had long ago… otherwise how would I distinguish between my memory and my current visual beholding of the bike?), but seeing as how two sets of equivalent experiences share the same meaning, one of the sets must obviously entail the other. So while not all cases of entailment are cases of equivalence, all cases of equivalence are also cases of entailment (though they may not always manifest as such in our experiences). What this means is that the universe is always entailing its higher levels from its lower levels (convergently) and visa-versa (divergently).

Returning to the question of how higher scale experiences relate to lower scale experiences, the question of how to describe such relations (as a “sum” or “average” or whatever else), the concept of equivalence sheds a certain light on the question (though it doesn’t answer it). It tells us that we ought not to think of the higher level experience as, in some way, a “mix” of the lower level experiences (like red, green, and blue paint mixing to get orange) such that we get a sum or average. The lower level experiences remain separate, unmixed, while the higher level experience stands on its own, not existing among the set of lower level experiences but apart from them. And yet they don’t “coexist” either–they are interchangeable, either/or, but without any determination as to which it really is. So something binds the two together such that they are equally entitle to claim a part in existence, and that something is obviously their shared meaning. But how to articulate a formula by which the description of one can be entered as input and the other expected as output still eludes us (or me at least). The constancy of their meaning is obviously key and guides us in determining this formula, and the assessment we arrived at in previous posts–that both descriptions must serve equally as justifications or reasons for the behavior of the physical systems at each level–tells us that we must look at the relation between descriptions of behavior at each level as well.

Perhaps the formula takes the experiences from one set as input and computes the overall meaning of the entire set as output. That output would give us the uniform and homogenous experience we’d expect at the higher level of scale. To determine if two sets of experiences are equivalent, we’d do the same for each and compare the meanings in the output. If the meanings are the same, the sets are equivalent. Otherwise, they are not.

But the key take away here is that equivalence prohibits us from imagining that the experiences at the lower level somehow go through some kind of transformation where the law of the conservation of matter and energy hold and only the form changes. We ought not to think of the experiences at the lower level somehow “mix” to become that at the higher level. So stop doing it! :slight_smile:

Part 2–Experimental Science as Q&A with God

While we might get away with saying that a set of component experiences must be equivalent to their average meaning, thus entitling this average to equal existence as the components, does this work the other way around? Suppose we had a single experience–uniform and homogenous–must we necessarily derive each and every component experience from it? If we had an average test score, must we necessarily derive from that the actual individual test scores? We certainly could, but whatever set of component experiences or test scores we derive seems arbitrary. Again, it is similar to finding alternate expressions to ‘1’–we could choose .5 + .5 or .1 + .9 or .1 + .2 + .3 + .4 or 345 - 344, etc.–the possibilities are infinite… and completely arbitrary.

So why is it that Western science has discovered the atomic structure of matter? If the experiences corresponding to the atoms and molecules that make up all material phenomena are equivalent (not identical) to the experiences of those material phenomena on the macroscopic level, then aren’t we saying that the latter just happen to be decomposed, out of possibly infinite other alternatives, into the former? If saying that a rock being decomposed into its atoms is like dividing 1 into (say) .1 + .2 + .3 + .4, doesn’t that make the atoms seem completely arbitrary as a choice of what the rock could have decomposed into? Why couldn’t the theory of the continuity of matter (Aristotle’s view that matter is infinitely divisible) have turned out true, or idealism (the idea that everything is mind, perhaps decomposable into monads), or anti-realism theories like Buddhism (theories that say there is nothing that matter decomposes into because there is no matter)? One cannot simply dismiss this question with “well, atoms just happened to be what the universe turned out to be made of,” as a theory of consciousness like mine would have experiences as the fundamental fabric that makes up the universe, and if decomposing experiences into components is like decomposing 1 into .5 + .5 or .1 + .9 or .1 + .2 + .3 + .4–i.e. the choice being completely arbitrary–there is no objective mind-independent reason to prefer atoms over something else.

Well, one thing to note is that having an infinite number of options for how to decompose a thing does not entail no limits. There may still be limits. There are an infinite number of ways to express the number 1, for example, but you can’t express it as .5 + .5 + .5 or 103 + 104. In the same way, there may be limits on the number of ways to express an experience–uniform and homogenous as it may be–maybe even limiting it to a finite set of possibilities. The principle of equivalence would say only that the material expressions of two (sets of) equivalent experiences must constitute an identity–the atoms and molecules of a rock, being one such expression, must be recognized as identical to the rock itself, another expression. This puts significant constraints on what combination of experiences can be said to be equivalent to other experiences.

For another thing, matter is (for the most part) infinitely divisible–at least, up to the point where you get individual molecules and atoms. Before that, however, you can divide physical objects any which arbitrary way you want. A rock can be divided into two equal halves, or into a piece 1 quarter and another 3 quarters of the original, or ground down into fine dust but not so fine as to be down to the individual molecules or atoms. And for any of these (for all practical purposes) infinite and arbitrary approaches to dividing the rock, there is a particular combination or system of subjective experiences for it to represent. This tells us that up to a point, the minds of material objects are (nearly) infinitely, and certainly arbitrarily, divisible into any number of component minds. Up to a point, that is, the point at which we finally do arrive at molecules and atoms, the basic building blocks of all matter, the corresponding experiences being the basic foundation on which the minds of material objects rest. And this point reintroduces a certain limit to the kinds of experiences the mind of matter can be divided into–as infinite and arbitrary as these divisions seem, they must still yield the kinds of experiences that are only possible when grounded on the kinds of experiences associated with molecules and atoms. In other words, the further you divide the experience of material objects, the closer you come to the experiences of molecules and atoms. At a certain point, when you decompose the last of the component experiences, you find you necessarily derive those of molecules and atoms next. In other words, while you may start out with an almost infinite number of choices with which to divide the original experience, all such choices eventually lead to the experiences of molecules and atoms (all roads lead to Rome). That limit notwithstanding, however, it still stands to reason that matter can, up to a point, be divided (practically) infinitely and arbitrarily.

For a third thing, the scientific community tends to follow the principles of reductionism and unification, which means that every property or behavior we discover in the course of conducting experiments, we attribute to the same underlying phenomenon we assume to constitute the objects of all our other experiments. Everything reduces to atoms, we assume, so any new discoveries we arrive at when experimenting on rocks (say) we attribute to the atoms. Contrast this with a view that supports multiple alternatives for the underlying basis of matter–continuism for example, the Aristotelian theory that matter is infinitely divisible. Any newly discovered property or behavior could be attributed to an entirely different underlying basis, and that it is indicative that sometimes rocks reduce to atoms, other times to this new underlying phenomenon. In the latter case, you can see how the possibility of having multiple different arrangements of equivalent experiences would seem a lot less limiting. But that is not our practice in modern day science (and rightly so). We attribute new discoveries to the same underlying phenomenon we’ve always assumed to be at the basis of all our objects of scientific interest, and we adjust our models of this underlying basis to fit the data. This is not a criticism of such an approach. Indeed, it is an excellent approach if the goal is to discover what counts as equivalent to the broadest range of all scientific phenomena imaginable (all matter) and may just be a matter of adjusting our models with every new discovery until we achieve our goal.

In fact, for all we know, the universe could be playing a game of 20 Questions with us, but making up the answers as we go. Conducting an experiment and observing the results is like getting a yes/no answer to a question in a game of 20 Questions. The question is: is my hypothesis right? And the results of the experiment either confirm or deny your hypothesis. But how do we know that these yes/no answers aren’t delivered completely randomly, like the universe never thought of it before and resorts to flipping a coin each time? All the universe would have to do is remember its answer for every subsequent run of the experiment. One will still be guided to an evermore refined and detailed model of the phenomenon in question (or the universe) that explains that phenomena (or the universe) to one’s total satisfaction. Given enough time, it becomes just a matter of how clever and creative we can be in inventing more and more encompassing models that satisfy all prior answers.

This implies that if we stick to reductionism and unification in this pursuit, we can potentially come up with one singular all encompassing theory that fits all the data, and everything we know about the phenomena in question from every day acquaintance and from our game of 20 Questions, in every meticulous detail, the experiences of which my theory would say are equivalent to the experiences of such phenomena at the macroscopic level. I bring up this point not to suggest the universe is randomly generating (and remembering) the results of our experiments but to show how there could have been multiple paths from the 1st question to the proverbial 20th, each one marked by a random set of yes/no answers, and terminating with totally different models of the universe, and that it is our insistence on reductionism and unification that leads us to pursue one path and one path only. How many paths there are is just a matter of how clever and creative we can be in coming up with models that fit all answers so far along our chosen path.

But I don’t believe the universe works this way. I don’t believe the universe answers our questions randomly (even if it remembers its answers for all time thereafter). I believe God (if we can call the universe as a cosmic consciousness God) answers our questions using the rule of equivalence. The models of our hypotheses must be equivalent to what we know of the universe from our basic first-hand acquaintance with it. And who better to judge such equivalence than God?

This is not to suggest some kind of divine intervention in our experiments. According to my theory, God is the universe itself, the material structure thereof his body. So when we conduct an experiment, we are in fact manipulating God’s body. This can be understood as a form of communication. Because all physical interactions, including our handling of the independent variable in our experiments, are material representations of experiences being had outside our consciousness (for all intents and purposes, by God), and since all experiences are fundamentally meaning and information, all such interactions are in fact a form of communication. We are communicating with God. More precisely, in the context of scientific experiments, we are asking God a question: is my hypothesis right? And the experimental setup responds, it reacts, as all physical phenomena do, and we call this the results of the experiment. This too is a form of communication, for the same reasons, and thus the results of the experiment are God’s answer to our question. Either yes, your hypothesis is right, or no, your hypothesis is wrong.

What God is actually saying in the results of the experiment is that the scientist’s hypothesis, his model, is equivalent to God’s original message. What do I mean by this? What is God’s original message? God’s original message is that which is actually being conveyed to us every day of our lives, conveyed outside the context of the experiment, to the experience of general human life. We are told by God, through our senses, every day, the basic and trivial facts about the world. We are told the sky is blue, that fire is hot, that rocks are hard, that trees exist, that water flows, that the sun rises and sets every day, that the stars shine at night, that animals live among us, and so on and so forth. But what God doesn’t tell us is that these things are made of atoms, or that the stars are part of a colossal galaxy we call the Milky Way, or that the animals that live among us are a product of biological evolution… all things that require science to uncover, all things hidden until science exposes them. None of our scientific theories are packaged in the original message. Nonetheless, the scientific method of conducting controlled experiments allows us to ask God if they are at least equivalent to his original message. It’s like if God says ‘1’ and we say ‘Do you mean .5 + .5?’ God might respond with “Well, no, that’s not technically what I said, but it’s equivalent.” In other words, it might as well be.

From this perspective, it becomes questionable whether we ought to think of all these levels of equivalence in the reductive hierarchy as “coexisting”. We’ve already dismissed the idea of coexistence as the proper way to understand equivalence relations, but this idea–that we are deriving our scientific theories from God’s original message–really drives the point home. It suggests that until we had our theories of atoms and other such “hidden” scientific phenomena confirmed (with God’s stamp of approval), nothing existed at that level. In his original message, God never spoke of atoms or galaxies or biological evolution. We invented those. What experimental science does for us is it ensures that in the process of inventing these theories and models, we at least stick to whatever’s most equivalent to God’s original message. Yet at the same time, it’s not wrong to say the world is made of atoms and galaxies or that life is driven by biological evolution, as the concept of equivalence says these can be swapped in for whatever does exist in God’s original message and that there is no fact of the matter which is real and which isn’t. The fact that God’s original message consists (among other things) of rocks instead of atoms doesn’t mean the experiences of the atoms don’t exist–rather, it means we are being told about the rock’s existence, not the atoms’ (or more precisely, what we are being told about the rock’s existence comes from one out of many equivalent expressions of the same meaning, and it is the pairing of our epistemic awareness of the particular expressions we experience that makes it what “we” are being told).

The best analogy, therefore, might be, once again, the statue in the rock. We are being presented with the rock, as opposed to the statue with its excess debris because that’s what we are epistemically aware of, but we can nevertheless theorize or visualize certain possible statues inside the rock. When we ask God about this or that particular statue, he answers either yes or no depending on whether such a statue can be carved out of the rock (perhaps, for example, the statue is too big or has an appendage that would be too heavy to hold up given the rock’s brittle material). If the statue can be carved out of the rock, then we are “right” to suppose it’s more than just a rock, that it is a statue with rock debris surrounding it as well.

Yet it is quite challenging to imagine the world as we experience it without a foundation of atoms and molecules on which to rest, as if Aristotle was right and continuism was the correct view of the world. In that case, how could there be such a diversity of phenomena in the world? How could there be rocks, trees, rivers, clouds, stars, animals, people, etc. without some kind of common underlying nature or binding fundamental infrastructure? Well, what we’re asking here is how we can make sense of the world without reductionism or unification? Reductionism and unification may seem intuitive, maybe the only possible way things can be, but it’s not impossible to imagine the world in other ways. Instead of reductionism, for instance, we might entertain holism, the view that things like rocks, trees, rivers, etc. are fundamental unto themselves, that there is nothing more fundamental, nothing deeper, or “hidden behind the scenes” that requires science to uncover. All these things–rocks, trees, rivers, etc.–are the real “atoms” of the world, and the plurality of such things, the diversity thereof, just happens to be the true nature of the world (even in science, we haven’t quite reduced all particles to one specific type–string theory notwithstanding–which means even according to the standard model, we have to accept some degree of pluralism). Why each phenomenon behaves the way it does, why it reacts to other phenomenon as it does, is just a matter of the nature of the phenomenon itself, its unique character or mode of existence. What it is about gasoline, for example, that sets it on fire when a lit match is dropped into it, while water does not, ties directly into the unique things that gasoline and water are. We obviously don’t see what this “true nature” of the gasoline or water are (otherwise, we’d have all our science figured out at the dawn of our species), so it would seem not to have anything to do with their visible properties and behaviors–their taste, their wetness, their color, etc.–but what they are in essence, what they are at their core.

This fits perfectly well with the concept of the world as God’s original message. If God only intends to tell us “there is a rock there” and has nothing about atoms or molecules in mind, then whatever a rock is, whatever is communicated to us about the rock in the original message, is (for us) all there is to the rock. Yet, it may still have a hidden nature, a core essence that defines what it fundamentally is, something that explains why it behaves the way it does, why it has the properties it has, something that is not given in the original message. In my theory, that something is the experience that the rock represents, the experience that, just prior to our seeing the rock, entails our seeing it. That experience is hidden from us (we have no epistemic access to it) and for all intents and purposes can be treated as the Kantian noumenon, the “true” thing, the ding an sich, that our perceptions (attempt to) convey to us. Add to that that its quality is unimaginable, and we can conclude that it is not only hidden but can’t even be understood. It is no wonder then that we find it difficult to understand how a phenomenon like a rock can be fully explained based only on what we’re given, on what can be said about its character and properties and behavior on a macroscopic level (i.e. without any reference to atoms or any microscopic structures). It is explained by the unique quality of the experience that what we’re given represents. If we could feel that experience, or perhaps even just understand it, we would say, “Ah, that’s why it behaves as it does.” To apprehend how a particular experience feels is to understand how and why it entails the further experiences it entails. The unique quality of this experience, in other words, determines what other experiences entail from it, and this manifests to us as the behavior of its physical representation (the real world phenomenon that we’re given in God’s original message). Thus, in this picture (my theory that the sensory world represents unimaginable experiences and that God only intends to communicate to us such experiences in sensory form), we have everything we need to explain the world in terms of holism or pluralism, eliminating the need for reductionism and unification.

This is not to say reductionism and unification are wrong, only that we have a way of making sense of the world even without them–even, that is, before we invented our theories of atoms and molecules and all other scientific theories of what lies hidden in nature (the primitive view of the world, if you will). We don’t need to imagine a multi-layered structure of equivalent levels constituting the reductive hierarchy of the universe. We can, and we kind of have to now that science has confirmed their equivalence, but we didn’t need to, not before we had our modern science. And with my theory, we can, in a way, return to that state of not needing to. We can imagine that all phenomena the world presents to us are fundamental unto themselves and it is the unique character of their essential nature (the experience they represent and are entailed by) that explains everything about them (their properties, their behavior, etc.).

This is not meant to be taken as a case against science, only how my theory and the concept of equivalence sheds a particular light on science, and carves out a place for it in the human experience and how we relate to the world outside our experiences. This place bolsters science in certain ways and it diminishes it in other ways–neither of which are my intentions but rather a consequence of what my theory says about science–and I wish only to be transparent and up front about this. In effect, science is the study of the human subjective reality–those parts of it that are physical in nature and that we all share in common–and insofar as those are real (and my theory says they are), science plays the same role in human life as it always has. My theory only adds that the object of science are also the objects of our experience (there is no duality separating them) and that there is more to existence beyond our science, real things projected from non-human experience in an extension to the human subjective reality that we might call the “great beyond”.

More generally, these are just some of the implications that fall out of my theory of equivalence, and there are plenty more. At some point, I will post my thoughts on the universe as a whole, the Big Bang, and what its identity as God says about all this–and equivalence will factor into these discussions most prominently. So I can’t emphasize enough how important the concept of equivalence is to my theory.

…or does being “try” to exist its essence? Keep on truckin’ gib.

scratches head in character

“Try” to exist? Does it fail? In that case, how are we here? Does it succeed? In that case, it’s more than “trying”.

It also begs the question: what is it trying to be? That’s what its essence is. Or would be if it could achieve it. I don’t see how “trying” by itself could be the essence of anything.

Then again, what if things could be “half” real? Then, could “half” achieving (i.e. trying) be the basis for a “half” real universe? I wrote about this idea–of “partial” being–somewhere above (I think about a year ago?) as a “tweak” to my theory in order to accommodate the anomalies of quantum mechanics. I concluded the world, at least at our level of being, is 99.9999999… % real.

“does being “try” to exist its essence”

That thing right there in the form of a question was actually just asked. Can you believe it?

We’re all just in Plato’s Cave trying to shine a light on things with our primitive instinctual consciousness fictionalizing everything in various constructions, but it’s the best we can do because when homosapiens first came into the scene of biological survival barely evolved from apes we knew absolutely nothing at all of the cosmos we were thrown into. So out of necessity we have all these constructs all over the place which is better than total ignorance, however, because they’re conceptualizations of our own invention or construction they will probably never match 100% with the entire cosmos we exist in where there will always be some kind of unknowns of our universe just always out of reach concerning conscious human knowledge. 100% mental certainty or clarity of everything I don’t think will ever be ascertainable for human consciousness as a whole, even with all this technology we have now we’re still just a primitive grunt barely evolved from our ancient ape like human ancestors.