I was watching something when one of the people on TV said this:
''Why are you a traitor to your race?"
and this is another one of those idiotic attempts to classify people
into race, creed, color or sexual orientation… What is about race that
it requires us to pay attention to it? My older sister took one of those
DNA tests, and found that we are part native American, African
American, even some ‘‘Ashkenazi Jewish’’ in there…and my family
is relatively homogenious… the thing is that we have lived in
America, at least on my mother’s side, since the 1650 or so…
and if you have lived in America that long, you are not going to
be purely white or of one race… Race has no meaning today
because there is no such thing as a ‘‘pure’’ race… it simply
isn’t a thing in this modern world…Now you might get some
tribes like the Eskimo’s… Tribes that have been relatively isolated,
and yet even there, I’ll be willing to bet there is quite a bit
of variation there… today, given how intermixed we are,
as human beings, there is no such thing as a ‘‘pure race’’
which means that race, as its understood, is no longer
a factor in our lives…
Because this is one of those “lets save the planet” kind of phrases. The planet needs no saving. It will be here even if humanity or for that matter all life goes extinct.
In similar fashion, when people talk about race, they do not talk about skin color. They talk about culture, civilization, society.
”Race” was never a qualifier for white people because white was never a single value, unlike with i.e. blacks where everyone knows what kind of culture black culture is.
When someone tells you that you are a race traitor they will 99.9% of the time refer to the fact that you are accelerating the destruction of your own country, culture, society, civilization.
And that context these days refers to the notion that you are a pro migration/replacement advocate.
To some degree throughout history interracial relationships and intermixing of different races or ethnicities has always existed even in our most ancient times of human history.
The difference between then and now is the severity or number. In ancient times those instances were very limited and small in number which is why it wasn’t controversial.
In the modern west you have a growing population of people who hate their own culture, identity, and history that actively promote their own destruction. It’s very curious, an entire race and ethnicity in majority wanting to kill themselves off. It’s never been seen in human history before. The liberal progressives amongst us politically think it is progress and a good thing. The small number of people that oppose it largely are not even allowed to voice their opinions publicly.
MrAuthoritarian:
In the modern west you have a growing population of people who hate their own culture, identity, and history that actively promote their own destruction. It’s very curious, an entire race and ethnicity in majority wanting to kill themselves off. It’s never been seen in human history before. The liberal progressives amongst us politically think it is progress and a good thing. The small number of people that oppose it largely are not even allowed to voice their opinions publicly.
K: as usual, just making shit up… where is the proof/evidence that
there is an ‘‘entire race… wanting to kill themselves off’’ or that they
‘‘hate their own culture, identity or history’’ …
I find it frightening that we have people mistake their own bullshit for
actual philosophy…
And if you put it in context 99.9% of the time that story revolves around culture, values, civilization and society.
Race narratives always center around america due to slavery.
In every other context the true issue is never the color of skin, its the thing it represents.
An invasion of a culture, a replacement of a nation, an oppression by a foreign entity, a destruction of value and country via outside entities.
The color of skin in and of itself doesnt mean a single thing the same way “religion” or “ideology” doesnt.
Nobody wants to erase the concept of belief or idea, there are just beliefs and ideas which people take issue with due to their effect, intent and purpose.
Yes, inter-racial breeding is useful overall for the society because it does (can) lead to robustness and new introduction of certain novel genes and gene combinations, but only when it is highly limited relative to the dominant in-group ethnic breeding. Outbreeding depression exists just as much as does inbreeding depression.
You don’t want to keep fucking your own kin over and over for generations just as you don’t want to keep fucking outsiders from totally different ethnic-racial groups over and over for generations. Either option is going to end very badly for you and the health/biological integrity of your family lineage.
If this is meant in @Nausamedu 's sense of “race,” that is, a coherent civilization with defined culture and multigenerational genetic lines, then yes.
However, I don’t think that is how most people, including you, use “race.” Though a real tribe (Roman word for civilization) will have some genetic stability, inevitably by simple virtue of continuity, it can incorporate inside itself a pretty wide range of genetic divergence. This range will vary, and I dare say the wider the range, without breaking continuity, the healthier, more advanced, more intelligent the tribe tends to be.
Even within this divergence, a wider genetic stability will tend to exist, a defined set.
If tribal continuity is not protected, what we call conservatism, then all you can have is degeneration. Cattle with no identity, nothing to tie it to anything except whoever husbanded it in. Idiots, starring brainlessly into magic mirrors.
Is there any evidence that suggests that inter-racial breeding is overwhelmingly beneficial?
Cause this sounds to me like saying that slinging hammers inside people’s homes through the window can be beneficial because every once in a while it might hit a criminal in the face who deserves it.
Forget inter-racial. ANY kind of breeding is only useful when it improves the genepool and does not degrade it. There is no more benefit to inter-racial breeding than there is to any other kind of beneficial breeding. It either is beneficial or it isnt.
Sure, but you do not need to sling together japanese people with somalians for that to happen.
Genetic diversity can be maintained with any population of at least 4-500 individuals which are not inbred.*
So as long as those 500 people are not blood related to eachother, you are set.
That is not the case with pure breeds. By definition. Pure breeds are a cluster f of inbreeding.
What you run into is that traits start being perpetuated or sought in a complete divorce from reality.
German Shepherds, for example, have a bad hip structure. Not because of inbreeding, but because of lack of oxygenation of the trait pool, of artificial selection.
That does not matter. Pure breeds are created through inbreeding.
Even in the case of german shephers thats at least 5 generations of inbreeding, but for most genetic homogeneity can take 20+
What i mean to say is that the foundation you have is already a mess. Thats what a pure breed is. A genetical mess that has been inbred for generations.
Anything that comes afterwards, every mix, every addition to that bloodline is already mixing with something that had a sledgehammer taken to it’s genome.
Pitbulls might be a good example of health in the sense PX was talkimg about.
Pitbulls are not a breed. There is no hermetic genetic pool. It is a loose pool of traits that breeders select for, and much crossing of pitbull with pitbull.
The pool is aereated, without violating the continuity, or even leaving things to random chance.
Yes, but thats also directed evolution… not simply interracial breeding.
Thats precisely what i was referring to in my answer to him. Breeding is either beneficial to the bloodline or its not. Interracial has nothing to do with it.
Say you want a dog with an extremely sharp sense of smell.
You start selecting the dogs with the sharpest sense of smell all around. You CAN by all means pick from other breeds, but its neither required nor is a factor because trait selection can be done within the original breed too.
Like come on, what exactly is the argument?
Can interracial breeding be beneficial? Yes. By all means.
It can also be f-ing devastating and crippling. So whats the point?
You dont seem to understand what i mean.
What is the process of creating a pure breed gene line?
I will give you an example. Norwegian Lundehund
How did that come to be in your opinion?
You started out with a street dog yes, aaaaaaaaaaaand then?
