My unusual? beliefs.

I have my own philosophy, and my own religion, although I doubt it can be called that. There are few to no rules arising from my beliefs, just beliefs. I am a logical thinker and have respect for the scientific process, and have little problem with anything it proposes, apart from when it temporarily fills the holes with chewing gum, which it is sometimes prone to do. None of this post is meant to offend anyone, but I believe it’s all pretty harmless anyway.

I believe in God, that’s unshakeable, and the argument against this, for me, would have to be literally mindblowing to have any effect at all, and even then it likely still wouldn’t have an effect. I believe in an infinite universe, which God created all the rules for. It stretches out forever, in every direction.

I believe there is something even older than God, older than everything, but it doesn’t really exist, at least not the way we understand it. It was there before anything, and will be there after everything. I’ll leave it for you to work out.

I believe that all sentient creatures have souls, anything that can wonder, or souls have them might be a better description. I believe in the prophets, and that they could understand the language of their own souls, and could therefore understand the nature of the Universe, and therefore the will of God. When they spoke to others around them, they spoke almost directly to their souls, and the truth was undeniable.

I don’t adhere much to either good or evil, those things seem to change all the time and are pretty subjective, but I guess you could say ‘good’ aligns more closely with what I believe in.

There are two major forces in the Universe, order and chaos. They eventually transition from one to the other all the time, but order is all around us, even looking up at the night sky will reveal that. I believe that God loves order, because it seems to be the ultimate purpose of all things, to assemble into order and beauty, and God made the rules. The soul is the ultimate realisation of order, it’s like a tiny piece of God, and it’s what gives us wonder. Wonder and the soul are essentially exactly the same thing.

Because I’m a creature born of order, and created by an orderly God in an orderly Universe, I’m not overly fond of chaos. What is chaos? It’s disintegration, disassembly, destruction, harm, suffering, hoarding. For me, it’s the opposite of whatever good is. I avoid it whenever possible, and always try never to cause it in any form, and although I don’t understand a word my soul is saying, it’s quite good at miming it, and has given me a general idea how not to cause it, at least these days.

The following section I’m not completely sure about, but it feels logical. Ideas of lakes of eternal fire and eager demons, or endless fluffy clouds and wings and halos are concepts grounded in the essentials of the human condition, so it’s doubtful that the soul would have much use for either, not being entirely subject to it. None of it seems particularly logical or likely either.

I believe that after we die and leave our Earthly bonds, we are born backwards, in a metaphysical sense, we return to the true form of our soul, which is unlikely to look much or feel anything like what we just were. We obviously spend a lot more time not biologically alive than we do otherwise, so it’s really the most natural state. Then the hammer of truth (I don’t know how else to describe it) hits us extremely hard a single time, and everything becomes extremely clear about the life we just led, and how it fits into the truth, which is of course God and the Universe. What our souls desperately want to do now, is go off and hibernate, but we can’t until we make sense out of the truth. It takes a long time to make sense out of chaos, so the more that we engaged in while alive, the more we have to resolve before we can rest. It’s like taking out a bank loan when we’re alive, it grows every time we sow chaos and harm others, and it all needs to be paid back, with interest. Probably 100%.

I think that the chaos has to be untangled, and we can’t take it with us, the soul abhors it and wants rid of it and can’t rest at all until it’s all gone, so we can’t ever hibernate until it’s all fully formed into order again. It’s like one of those fine chain necklaces at the bottom of the drawer that tied itself into knots, and now only time, extremely dexterous fingers and infinite patience is going to untangle it. It’s during this that we have plenty of time to contemplate whatever we did to cause the chaos in that brief life, and it definitely wasn’t worth it. That brief flicker we call life is nothing at all compared how long it takes to untangle the chaos afterwards, sometimes it’s not very tangled at all, and there’s not that much to do, but sometimes its just an indecipherable ball of knots, and will seemingly take forever.

When we eventually get the chaos sorted into order, completely alone, then we can finally hibernate. This is where the magic really happens. Our previous life is already known to us, but what about the others? They become apparent. This is where the soul learns what it has learned, and makes that life fit in with the others, trying to make sense of the complete picture of everything, which can be shared with God. Because life is so brief, all souls not dealing with chaos are essentially in hibernation at the same time. Because they have left the Earthly shackles, they can communicate directly with one another, and share the truths they have learned, especially with those souls which are already known to us and therefore close. We will stay in this blissful state until satisfied, which might be a very long time, then we are ready to be born again, as a new creature that is capable of wonder, it has to be to house the soul. I’m personally hoping it’s not as human every time.

The cycle of learning starts again, and on it continues. What is the point of this? Well I think I that it’s a way for God to experience the Universe they designed, through the lives and experiences of all souls. But who knows? Also, being a tiny part of God, the soul has the power to imagine order, and with a body, the ability to realise it.

That’s about it. Thanks for reading. God bless.

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Are you saying there might be one or two rules, but they’re negotiable?

That should be easy to articulate. What are they?

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Order is good. Chaos is bad. That’s about it for rules. Otherwise there are no rules, people can believe whatever they want.

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If by chaos you mean possibility, how can that be bad in of itself instead of just neutral?

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Everything is possibility, because everything has potential to become something else. I treat chaos as bad, because my life depends on inherent order, both in my biological self, and the environment that surrounds and supports me. Chaos is the antithesis of that. I know which rock I’m clinging onto for survival.

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Your life depends on both possibility and constancy, or you would not notice anything around you ever being different or similar, and you would not be able to select/choose/focus among all the possibilities, and you wouldn’t even move.

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You know what’s freaking hilarious? An atheist who is a B-theorist of time and has no explanation for the evolution of the perception of moving.

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I agree, I don’t believe I have stated otherwise. I should make it clear, I have no opposition to the natural transition of order into chaos, which happens all the time, and so does the reverse, but sudden chaos, or avoidable chaos, are things which I avoid.

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I’m sorry I don’t know what that means.

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How do you account for the fact that the standard model says this thing began in order and yet evolution (rather, the encoding of information in DNA and function at the level of configuration) is the most ordered thing ever? Aren’t we going backwards of the way things are supposed to be if entropy is our destiny?

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Entropy is the ultimate destiny of all order. But it happens over vastly different timescales. For human beings, entropy eventually invalidates the biological function of the living human over a span of approximately 85 years. Other living creatures suffer similar fates. A rock, however, may last millions, a planet billions. It is not a consistent phenomenon and is both relative and subjective.

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If that is true, why (more like how) did order arise from chaos if chaos (defined by you as disorder rather than possibility) is how things are supposed to happen?

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How dare you bring the plague of Neil Diamond on these boards?

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That’s negentropy, an equal and opposing force to entropy. Both cannot naturally occur at the same time without outside influence, so the states alternate throughout eternity if not otherwise influenced.

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throws flag :triangular_flag:

moving the goal posts

15 yards

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Once again, you have baffled me.

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@Ichthus77

What’s wrong with Neil Diamond?

We’re talking about the singer, right?

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@niallm12

Have you ever read any Spinoza?

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No but I just searched for him, not wanting to seem ignorant. I’m already interested..

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@niallm12

He had some interesting creative ideas about God and the universe all around us you might find interesting. I like a lot of his writings.

Then when you study eastern religions there’s Taoism as well that offers some interesting ideas on natural forces all around us.

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