Where you’re weak, he’ll fill those gaps and make you strong. That’s how it is with every weakness and strength where he’s involved.
The golden rule is a vengeance / masochist rule.
Don’t bother me with your bullshit. The cycle of torment never ends if the golden rule is applied.
What? Am I supposed to forgive everyone for sending me to hell forever, on the off chance they might forgive me for everything. As if.
You’ve never been to hell. I have. I know what I’m talking about.
This is what you do…
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Disempower abusers
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debate them
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healing energy (received through debate)
Gonna take a little break. brb
The golden rule is a vengeance / masochist rule.
You are thinking of something else. It’s not “treat others how they treated you”. Rather, it’s treat others how you want them to treat you. Even the “eye for an eye” rule is meant as a limit to fair retribution. If you say “harm others how you want them to harm you” it is self-defeating, because no one legit wants to be harmed. It comes from brokenness. Not talking about healthy dominance behavior. Like making breakfast. lolz Fun … to change subject.
Am I supposed to forgive everyone for sending me to hell forever, on the off chance they might forgive me for everything.
No. you’re supposed to forgive yourself because you are the only one that can send yourself to hell. And you’re supposed to forgive other people whether they forgive you or not. It really doesn’t matter whether they forgive you or not (though, it is important to give them that opportunity - to hear your remorse, if it exists, and would not add to their brokenness) - what matters is that God has already forgiven you.
You’ve never been to hell. I have. I know what I’m talking about.
I’ve been to hell.
Ok. You’ve been to hell. I’ve been to thousands and thousands and thousands of them.
Nobody sends themselves there. That’s crazy-talk.
Hell BY DEFINITION is where you don’t want to be.
It’s not even remedial.
The problem you have here is the uphill battle of trying to justify the unjustifiable.
So God set up thousands of hell realms to punish sinners which violate concent?
What if God set up academies that taught people how to behave and survive without crime?
Why is your God so obsessed with punishment?
My point exactly.
Dan is saying that it’s your perspective. You could see the world differently. Your perspective sends you to hell because you don’t see God as forgiving. In my lowest moments when I can’t forgive myself and I’m sending myself to hell again, because I forgot I am forgiven and loved, I have to remind myself to count it all joy because he didn’t wait for us to wander back. He always knew it would be this way. He doesn’t change. He doesn’t forget who he is. We are the ones who forget (if we ever knew).
Dan may misunderstand what I type if he meant it for me.
If I could travel back in time to my 16 year old self and teach it all I know now… I’d never have been sent to hell.
My hell was meaningless. Hell is always meaningless.
It’s never remedial.
I don’t give a shit about your narrative of god always being forgiving or not.
My consent is being violated as we speak.
Thus, I don’t believe in god.
God, as defined by world religions, has the power to never violate a consent forever and still keep us entertained forever.
Your god, is the supreme consent violatior of everyone.
And enjoys it.
Your god is not my god.
Like I said before… nobody sends themselves to hell.
It’s psychologically and spiritually impossible.
Hell is defined as the place you don’t want to be.
Don’t blame me for flaws in existence or your gods transgressions - it’s not my fault. It can’t be gods fault either because god doesn’t exist.
I don’t have a guilty conscience anymore … but I’m still in hell. You folks on the other hand - no regrets. It’s hard to have a conscience.
I regret everything about existence. And I’m not punishing myself. At least not on the level of voices, reality shifts and demonic possessions… there’s not one being in existence who does that to themselves.
Do I feel guilty? I’m practically perfect. I just regret all my memories. I’m more perfect than the three structural problems of existence…
Because I don’t violate them to the best of my ability…
Other people ? They don’t even try.
What do I have to feel guilty about in a relative sense?
The transgression is not on me, it’s on your hypothetical god.
Are you saying your god doesn’t violate consent or send people to hell for no reason?
Tell me more.
Who created the hell realms then?
God doesn’t exist. How simply can I put that to you?
If god existed, consent violation would never occur for anyone.
I’m a hyper empath - I feel everything. If anyone’s consent is violated, so is mine.
People on the sociopathic spectrum have “good days” in a reality like this.
Yes. Almost everything is spirit. I won’t deny that.
I will deny that there is an omnibenevolent creator.
You can’t see the truth right in front of you.
People are hurting.
But oh!!! We can’t judge our tribal king. God disciplines those he loves!! That’s some sick shit.
That’s the point. There’s no omnibenevolent god.
Imagine this dan:
You’re an adult. Actually, the supreme adult.
You are a good parent and give your children the best always. OR you beat the shit out of them everyday.
Which supreme parent do you think we all have?
People who love that parent who beats them everyday have a psychological disorder called Stockholm Syndrome.
Weylp. I gotta sleep. Big day tomorrow. I enjoyed our convo today! 
We’ll talk more about it in future, I’m hopeful
I’ll just leave one more message in the interim:
If god is real: the whole point of all creation was consent violation.
No. Seriously, think about it.
You have this all knowing/powerful being. Simulated infinite realities that aren’t substantiated.
Of all the possibilities… It chooses consent violation.
And why are you not doing your job?
Ecmandu, I keep not answering every time you say that nobody wants to go to hell, because you already acknowledged that heaven is hell for those who reject God. Do you not see that you’re contradicting yourself? If heaven is hell for those who reject God, then they choose hell. Sometimes we send ourselves to hell without even believing in God when we reject everything that (we think) God is about. That’s the kind of hell I’ve been to. You don’t know you’re there until you’re out. That’s why gospel amnesia sucks so bad and why the spiritual disciplines are so important. Still learning. Always will be. Loved regardless.
*consent
And who is not doing their job?
I will always avoid saying it’s a good day until I know every single being is happy with life.
God apparently has that power without making us complete zombies.
To tell me that my disbelief is what’s sending me to harsh hell realms is actually quite a wicked thing to say.
Don’t you think if God was able to make us all happy without violating our consent, he would? But the fact that he can’t make everybody happy against their will (because it contradicts his nature and is the sign of a truly weak individual) means he’s gonna scrap it all and say F it? That’s asinine. That’s why I think you seriously must be joking.
He wrestles with people on purpose, are you kidding me? Have you ever even read the Bible?