I didn’t chase your links… can you give it again?’
I started this thread for a specific purpose. That purpose has been sidelined. It’s become a free for all. That’s not how it should work whether you agree or not.
If you cannot put your beliefs aside for a moment, then this book is not for you. It’s not for everyone and that’s okay!
OMG, what projection! That’s YOU in a nutshell!
Here’s a good one: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p … t#p2856837
PG: You gotta rule it out before you decide it’s off the table.
Ichthus77: For the record, I don’t believe in determinism. See previous on perfect subsuming permissive. Not the same as determinism.
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Ecmandu: I didn’t chase your links… can you give it again?’
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Ichthus77: Here’s a good one: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p … t#p2856837
PG: You gotta rule it out before you decide it’s off the table.
Peacegirl: It works both ways. There are probably commonalities that we can agree upon. However, this discovery can actually prevent evil (hurt) in human relations once it’s applied on a global scale. It is not a religious work and it does not proselytize.
PG.
You cannot define absolute determinism as compatibilism and expect to be taken seriously as an argument against compatibilism.
If I remember correctly, very early in this thread, you were already told that you were a compatibilist by many posters here.
I don’t think her argument is about whether fate and will are compatible, but about the effect of knowledge of fate on will.
I think that’s getting closer but the source or the resource cannot be known…
Of course it can go around and around like that, but my gut level tells me it’s more fallacious then contradictory ( determinate versus indeterminate) If it was truly contradictory, then non compatibility would be out of the question
And that goes for all, in that Ec is right
Therefore, it remains open ended and not bound to any singular interpretation, otherwise it would appear diversionary.
She is interpreting what really is an effective way to circumvent the relative compatibility which can’t be really defined, only approximated. That’s a problem that may be verified by the Author’s intentive description, and he is no longer here with us to do so.
I would refer you to William Lane Craig on molinism. When it comes to reconciling sovereignty and free will, I am a fan of the book “chosen but free“ by Norm Geisler.
Thanks!
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I just published another book by the author which was his fifth attempt to explain his discovery in a way that can be understood by the average reader.
Who is average, especially. here?
But I’ll try this first. Thank you as well.
You almost had me with the real/actual stuff, but then ya lost me at the no-free-will part. While it is true that love is not love without demonstration (hence Christ’s free …but costly… sacrifice on the cross), it is also true that it cannot be returned without free will. Not in a genuine sense. Brainwashing is not love. Chemicals are not love (they are madness!!!). When you choose to follow the golden rule regardless of how you feel, or if they return it, then you will know what love is. Ask any saved psychopath.
PG. your author doesn’t understand that realities like this will always bother people.
Just like everyone has a different thumbprint, everyone has a different heaven.
“World peace” is a misnomer right out the gate.
There are only two ways to solve this problem …
A super being puppeting everyone else as a philosophic zombie to your Individual desire.
Hyperdimensional mirror realities that change accordingly to your desire.
Both of these solutions cannot hurt anyone against their will, you and every other being.
You need a different universe for each being.
Don’t forget to put it very simply… heh.
A philosophic zombie is a being that acts exactly like a sentient being in every single way, but is not actually sentient. It’s impossible to hurt a philosophic zombie.
If a good god marionetted a philosophic zombie universe for each individual being… to that specific beings desire… there’s no sacrifice. Not even the god could be hurt.
Hyperdimensional mirrors REFLECT spirits from the eternal form realm. Just like the being on the other side of a mirror can’t feel anything. Hyperdimensional means reflecting infinite dimensions all at once. To your individual desire.
Tantamount to say that a post civilized cyborg can simulate the idea of the perfect picture of sentiment Beings, like a photograph worth a thousand eternal ideas.