Hello. I stumbled across these forums while searching Google.com for “Philosophy Forums”. Pretty nice place you got here…
I recently started a site (Afew days ago) - ilovephilosophy.com, and i’d appreciate it if you guys would go over there and check out the forums. I’m trying to get a bunch of different groups to register, as it is primarily a debate-type site. I encourage you all to register and proclaim/defend your views, as other’s will be doing the same.
You guys are a well educated bunch from what i’ve read thus far, and i’d be honored to have any one of you registered.
Note: I fully intend on sticking around, i’m no one-time-spammer.
Welcome to the forum Nostalgia and thank you for posting this (advertisement or invitation?) in mundane babble. Come in! The Gods are here also! (Heraclitus)
your source is wrong. i have a collection of all known, certain, fragments, (and even uncertain ones) ascribed to heraclitus. none have him saying anything at all like that. quiet the opposite.
and i like the way you use similes honey.
oh, i know my stuff. well, stuff that is going to be on a mid-term next week. besides presocratic material is very limited.
here’s a tip, rare philosophical quotes are rarely revealed in dinner theater sites, such as the one that you cited in your last post. yes, sweetie, heraclitus COULD have said that. he also could have said that he liked screwing donkeys. did he? we probably won’t know unless we look at what he actually wrote down, and this well is already pretty low. and i can tell you that him saying that bit about the gods goes against all his other known sayings.
herclitus’ quote is not cited in the text. in the first link you provided the reference is a (~) which, to me, reads questionable that he said/wrote this. the passage again produced in another link tries to explain more clearly the rational behind this. this rational is good and i’ll agree with the author’s rational there (i think you, however, has misinterperted it dramatically). the author, william harris, micmics essentially what diognes laeretuis did. some are direct quotes, others are not. notice how passage 74 isn’t written in bold or provided with the greek translation. to sum, there are two mistakes that you have made:
misinterpertation. ‘the gods are here’ refers to the fire. this is a basic doctine of heraclitus’ belief
poor quality of quotes. not exactly what he said, but plausible. questionable authenticity, all the more reason it need to be placed in context.
little one, philosophy is more than you give it credit for.
— Trix i humbly accept #2, but i now ask you to produce evidence that “The Gods are here” refers to the fire. Philosophy is certainly more than i give it credit for, else why bring my hungry mind here? Anybody want a marshmallow?
matt, i’m pretty sure that marshall m. was refering to this is where we are doing philosophy. marshall, heraclitus believed that the arke of the universe is fire, there is a collection (far more reputable) of his fragments in barnes’ early greek philosophy and with a comprehensive anaylsis. it’s also what i’m taught in school and i’ve seen other sources that confirm this. as far as i can tell, heraclitus’ belief that fire is related to the divine is one of his most commonly accepted doctorine.
but don’t let this stop you from misusing the quote, as i seen you’ve done in another post. but you changed the source, so i suppose it is a small step…
I have and have read the Barnes book. I have changed ‘Heraclitus’ to ‘attributed to Heraclitus’ in my quotes, although i have no intention of editing the earlier quotes. This should satisfy many pedantic souls, though probably not all. I appreciate your concern and attention to detail.
