ok, democracy is a cult, ok, what replaces it?

if we remove democracy from the world, what will replace it?

we have roughly, 7 different political possibilities available to us…
so, in no particular order, monarchy, democracy, dictatorship,
aristocracy, oligarchy, corptocracy, and communism…

(now mind you, communism is really an economic system, not
a political system, which is why it fail in the Soviet Union and a timocracy,
is essential a democracy with voting rights only for the rich)

so, we remove democracy, that leaves us 6 political systems…
and which of these 6 does Sammy and UR and gloom decide on? in
a monarchy, you are hoping for, but don’t often get, a ruler who is
wise, smart, capable, honest, engaging in justice, and promoter of
the people, and not the monarch personal interest…
that seems like a lot to ask for…and most monarchy’s turn into
democracies with the monarch in ceremonial role…
I.E… England…

so, are the clueless bunch going to choose a dictatorship?
where all rule and all power exists in the hands of one…
and what can possibly go wrong there?

or do we go with an oligarchy? the wealthy rule… and leave
everyone else to fend for themselves??? that sounds like fun…
and a whole like America today… and within the entire history of
dictatorships, who exactly benefits from a dictatorship? the dictator
and his best buddies, and no one else… for this see, Putin in Russia…

so, and I can’t see an aristocracy being much different than an oligarchy…
now one might say, England, but mind you, England suffered from
a couple of different civil wars, so that might not be your ideal
aristocracy…

so, what political system do they want and just as importantly,
why that system and not another… given the choices,
democracy is actually the best system going…
unless they would like to suggest another?

Kropotkin

oh look, no one posted… what a surprise…

just a bunch of incel idiots who can only complain but have no answers
of any kind…and hate, oh, lets not forget how these fools hate everyone,
especially if they are different than they are…

Kropotkin

Peabrain Pete was always a drama queen.
He demands a lot, but offers little or nothing in return.

Democracy even with its obvious shortcomings is currently the best chance at the most well-being and least suffering on average. Not direct democracy; representative democracy with a Constitution and checks and balances. This could all change at some point if the science of morality progresses and biological change makes new things possible in terms of how societies of humans coexist. But for now, Democracy is the best, more or less for the reasons PK said.

Democracy isn’t a “cult”, that doesn’t even make sense. Democracy is something that just doesn’t exist anymore except in name only. It’s a nice name and label we use to make ourselves feel like we are more civilized and meaningfully engaged in the causal structures of our world than we really are. Democracy has devolved into little more than a virtue signal. We simply are not smart or honest enough as a collective to be democratic anymore.

What really exists: at best a representative system where someone else is supposed to advocate for our best interests but in reality there are fraudulent elections, corruption and backroom deals, media lies and “manufacturing consent (and dissent)”, mass social engineering emotionalism and the psychological manipulations of deliberately-created crisis moments for trauma-based mind control; the richest groups and their puppets pulling the strings of nearly every politician on earth; plutocracy and “globalism” of colluding secret cult societies of actually evil psychopaths; transhumanism and techno-fantasy obsessions leading us right into “the singularity” where we be made to merge with machines and the internet, in the form of 6G/7G spatial web 3.0, digital ID, blockchain CBDCs and the biosecurity state becomes the digital prison for life of all the little cows (humans) around the planet. At least that’s how the controllers see things.

If you want to understand the world you better start seeing things from the point of view of those who sit on top of it. Otherwise all you do is act the various parts in their little stage plays. Then again I suppose that’s a lot more comforting than seeing the truth.

Oh idk man. From the very beginning the epistemology has been deeply flawed, the rhetoric loud and wildly distortional, the candidates liars, and the knowledge of the citizenry vastly lacking. And yet, we still have democracy. With all the flawed awareness, at the end of the day, one person one vote. That’s always been a messy thing and it’s still messy. Granted, we now have echo chambers due to our digital media landscape, but it’s still democracy, still the best way to make decisions collectively. Naturally we want an educated and informed electorate but that’s not mandatory for a democracy. What’s mandatory is that the will of the people, for whatever reason, holds sway, with a constitution as a check and balance against tyranny of majority.

Whether a sovereign state is a dictatorship, oligarchy, republic, direct-democracy, or whatever,
is irrelevant, because those are all mere power-structure systems, rather than true ideologies.
Any one of those power-structure systems can result in any ideology being implemented.

However, as HuManIze has more-or-less pointed-out, the U.S.‘s current variant of representative
democracy is the most CORRUPTION-PRONE system that there is. That is due to the lack of
any bans on donations or interactions by lobbyist groups. One major example of such plutocratic
corruption is that the wealthy American Medical Association (the AMA; aka "the physicians’ lobby")
is the single biggest soft-money donor to both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party,
and in exchange, those two parties maintain the corrupt laws against practicing medicine without
a physician’s license, and other laws which give special authority to physicians. Another major
example of such plutocratic corruption is that the wealthy lobbyist group AIPAC (the Israel lobby)
buys most of the federal lawmakers, thus allowing the Israeli government to get away with
absolutely anything, including genocide, without even so much as sanctions, much less U.S.
military intervention, and those lawmakers are so brazenly corrupt that they even openly give
american taxpayers’ money to that Israeli government.

Any proposed system will always have risk,
as this is the cost of granting the population freedom.
Even more fundamentally,
any of our creations is at risk to existential forces greater than our species.
That any proposition has risks, does not invalidate it’s merit.

The first question is what is the purpose of a government,
and what needs is the government there to address.

Is it’s primary function and result aligned with the public’s benefit / interest?
Are there avenues for it’s further refinement, adjustment or complete restructuring?

Any governmental system, is a tool that ideally helps the public -
especially those advertised as being to the population’s interests.
But no government is mandatory for our species -
We have the option to go without any,
though we’d face the many risks that come with this tool’s absence.

(I personally do not advocate the absence of all public institutions ran by governmental bodies.)

Government is a choice, likely a wise one.
Yet none should be our cage.
If an approach is causing unreasonable degrees of harm,
in the assessment of the public -
then it ought be addressed with refinement, adjustment or restructuring.
Such that this tool, provides the best results to the population -
given our current understandings / knowledge.

Is the current state of ‘democracy’ around the world broadly doing good in comparison to it’s complete lack?
Yes, I think so. [Noting: there is an extreme cost, that I consider unreasonable in light of alternatives]

Is being better than it’s complete absence the only standard by which we should measure the utility of this current governmental approach?
No, of course not (imo) -

You can craft things out of wood using a rock.
A rock in this instance is better than one’s bare hands.
But if you have saws, hammers, nails, chisels, etc. - at your disposal,
remaining solely with the rock proves detrimental to one’s goal.
The cost will take it’s toll.

Let us note:
One of the primary roles of government is to improve economy.
To economize means to improve efficiency,
to produce more with less -
i.e. create less waste (more utility).
Inefficient strategies are counter productive to a primary goal of government.


Our current behaviour as a species,
which is broadly directed by our governments,
is reaping high costs on the public, other species, and the earth’s ecosystems.
Scientists have very clearly demonstrated, measured and detailed these outcomes.

We, as a population, recognize the harm that is being caused.
A primary dilemma - is that it often feels our hands are tied.
That there is a momentum or forces,
that impede us from moving towards preferred directions.
That our movement is restricted in times of need -
is but one more cost or risk,
that needs to be deeply analysed and responded to.


As for economy, I am very partial to a post-scarcity economy -
as linked to my account here since it’s creation over a decade ago.
A belief in & partiality towards that I’ve held since my teens.

I believe it’s technically feasible.
The risk is that it undermines current structures and trends,
those of which primarily serve the interest of the minority.

Universal Basic Income is an outcome of post-scarcity -
that’s it’s technically feasible to provide the population with base needs.
Again, it’s introduction would be disruptive -
but is it’s reward greater than the disruption?
Is the structure being disrupted worthy of our salvation efforts?


If the public is empowered, and share a common interest -
such that they are able to cooperate in a mutually beneficial way:
then some things lose economic utility.

If a community is peaceful and at no risk,
does it need to widen it’s police / military force?
Could these resources not be allocated to more preferred outcomes?

If the public is educated and aligned in their interests,
the need for a governmental body to demand what is already being done - is decreased.
The public’s empowerment, reduces the role of larger government.

Why would we need a minority body to control our direction,
when the community is able to reach accord by it’s own discretion?

In the age of technology,
representative democracy becomes less relevant or beneficial -
as the public has means to greater represent itself.
Perhaps it is efficient for it to remain so to a degree,
but I think it’s scope ought be diminished,
and the public given more opportunity to express their will directly.

It is shown that when giving the public the opportunity to conglomerate their diversity,
upon reaching a conclusion - that they often reach wise decisions,
by virtue of balancing each other out, and covering many bases.
Consensus reached by the public, is often far wiser than it’s parts.


I think first and foremost,
it is crucial to improve the health of the public.
Once our health is established,
many dilemmas will be easily surpassed by our own strength.

We need not get ahead of ourselves.
We could be dropped into any great system,
but if our values are destructive -
if we are pulled towards unhealth by misguided goals & ignorance,
then whatever structure we inhabit is irrelevant.


[I could say a lot more, but I think this covers most of the primary points I wanted to make]