Ok, if illegals are bad, what is the answer?

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Those who attack the left for the supposed
open borders policy, is IQ45 answer/response
really the response you want to make?

Is the escalation of violence caused by the
national guard and the Marines, really the right
answer to this pretend problem?

To say deporting illegals will solve all the country problems
goes way beyond naive… it is even beyond reckless…
and serves absolutely no purpose of any kind…
it is really just Kubuki theater… that has no point…

Ok, let us say we remove all illegals in America…
and then reality will strike, hard… for who does
all the shitty work like pick crops in the fields,
or keeps restaurants going by bussing tables or
doing the dishes? Kicking illegals out of the country
solves no problem and literally creates hundreds
of other problems… As I have mentioned, illegals
bring in billions in tax dollars above the money spent
them… in taxes and the like…(sales tax for example)

and who exactly is going to do that shitty work of
picking crops and doing dishes, you? Nah, white
people are above that sort of thing…can you imagine
a collage grad picking crops instead of looking for
a white-collar job? in my area, restaurants are already
in big trouble due to lack of workers… the local Starbuck
has to close some afternoons because of a lack of workers…
and Starbucks is a decent job…what about the shitty jobs?

At my store, I work in a grocery store, we have a terrible time
getting new workers… out of every 10 we hire, 9 quit
within the week, and the other one last only a month, at best…
and because of the lack of workers, mind you, (I make almost
$30 bucks an hour) we are running our current staff into
the ground… job burnout is a growing problem in
my store… I am retiring in December as is a couple of
others and that will stretch the staff even more…

The reason why people don’t want to work is because
most jobs are really shitty jobs and the ones that aren’t
totally shitty, you can’t get… and by chasing away
the illegal workers, you make the situation that
much harder… so, tell me… where do
the workers of tomorrow come from?

Kropotkin

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“so they can do the jobs citizens don’t want to do” is such a shitty reason, just saying.

Only when there is accountability between nations, who all pivot their laws around self equals other, will there be a real solution to this problem.

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It’s not the jobs that nobody wants to do, it’s the jobs where nobody likes the pay, hence the capitalistic exploitation of foreign workers to work for low wages because domestic citizens are entirely aware of the scam. The capitalist class doesn’t want to raise wages domestically where they import workers in replacement instead for cheap labor. It always goes back to this.

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But if they raise the wages, they’re just going to raise the expenses. Every time there is wiggle room in the wages, they take it out with higher prices.

There has to be accountability at every level.

Being unfairly profitable (at other people‘s uncompensated expense) has to end everywhere, or people will always want to move away from areas of less compensation to areas of greater compensation. For American citizens, the compensation is not enough. For people from poorer countries, it is more than enough. That is probably partially due to the fact that our quality of life standards are more expensive, whereas theirs are more lax. …which really highlights the absurdity of our nuisance laws.

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I have a friend who is Mexican who has lived his entire life in the U.S. but isn’t a naturalized citizen. I think he should be a citizen because he has been here his entire life having never even lived in Mexico. With that being said, I think people who have been inside the United States less than ten years don’t have the right to be here illegally.

As for worker shortages and crisis of labor the answer is higher wages along with dealing with some tough problems of economic capitalism, however, there seems to be no political will nationwide to do so.

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And this is why landlords, corporations, and capitalists need to be heavily regulated every inch of their lives. Time and time again they prove not to be trusted.

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Well. Maybe after 7 years of zero contact with law enforcement they should at least be considered “common law” citizens. Unless we’re going to subject all born citizens to the same requirements as immigrants.

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What do you mean exactly?

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Or lower profits and returns on capital, and the bonuses of the people at the top. You are really delusional about the shift of wealth to the top 10%. They are addicted to making more and more and more money, slowly driving working people into the ground.

They take bailouts from the taxpayers, but when they are making billions in profits, you don’t think they’ll pay anything back. There is only one group profiting on the strategies of Trump and his henchmen: the rich!

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I said what I said.

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No clue where you got the idea that what I said was similar to your first sentence & dissimilar to agreement that wealth trickles UP, not down. If you had started with “…otherwise” rather than “Or”… I would say it agrees with what I said, but then the rest of your reply sounds pretty dang clueless about where I stand.

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Such topics are simply circular-rhetoric.. until profit -the King of all- is toppled.

..nothing will change, because nothing can change when the King that resides over all, provides.

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Is there no end? See: San Jose makes homeless people eligible for arrest – NBC Bay Area

Accountability at all levels would be prosecuting those keeping income-based housing inventory artificially emergency-level low, as well as those price-gouging rent in such an undeclared emergency, as well as those failing to declare it & (failing to) throw all misappropriated funds at increasing the inventory. It’s fraud, waste, and abuse of taxpayer money, not to mention crimes against humanity.

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The answer is in the news right now… ICE raids to mass deport the mass wave of illegals.

Mexican flags are flying in LA, an insurrection against the United States. Kropotkin, go and join the foreigners and wave a foreign flag too, please. There is your answer.

You do realize after Trump deports 10,000,000 illegals, Democrats / Liberals / Leftists will NEVER win another election again, right??? Your political party will be utterly defeated.

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How ‘bout deport the overly wealthy on passive income… “eminent domain” those assets for the greater good… and keep our community together?

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RealUn:
The answer is in the news right now… ICE raids to mass deport the mass wave of illegals.

Mexican flags are flying in LA, an insurrection against the United States. Kropotkin, go and join the foreigners and wave a foreign flag too, please. There is your answer.

You do realize after Trump deports 10,000,000 illegals, Democrats / Liberals / Leftists will NEVER win another election again, right??? Your political party will be utterly defeated.

K: and that is the difference between us… I realize once IQ45 deports
illegals, our economy will totally collapse… as it is in real time
falling apart… and the pain of deportation is harming others…
beyond just damaging America… it is the aspect of
harming people that I deplore… There is nothing at all,
that is Christain, American, or basically being good,
that will come from the deportation of the illegals…

Whereas you are worried about ''owing the libs""
whereas I care about what happens to both the
people and its terrible effects in America that
this will have… in your post, you are advocating
anti-life policies… it doesn’t matter to me in the
least, how this affects me or the country politically…
I only care about its effects on the deported and
America itself…

So, continue to practice your MAGA beliefs
toward others… don’t practice Christian beliefs,
continue the MAGA principles of anger, violence,
hate, greed and violence… continue to be anti-life
and anti-American…because unlike you, my conscious is
clear… because my beliefs and actions are
non-MAGA… and yes, I shall be there on Saturday..
I would fly another country flag if I had one..
but to be honest, I don’t even have an American
flag to wave…

hate away…

I will continue to practice the golden rule…
do unto others as you would have them do unto you

Kropotkin

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No it’s not, the US economy is surging. And why do you call him “IQ45” when he’s far smarter than you, far smarter than liberals, defeated the Bush Administration, defeated the Clinton Administration, defeated the Obama Administration, defeated the Harris Administration?

That sounds like a smart person’s doing, not a dumb person. Are you saying it’s “IQ45” to win bigly, Kraptkin?

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yeah… he’s IQ47 now. Get it straight.

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RealUn:
No it’s not, the US economy is surging. And why do you call him “IQ45” when he’s far smarter than you, far smarter than liberals, defeated the Bush Administration, defeated the Clinton Administration, defeated the Obama Administration, defeated the Harris Administration?

That sounds like a smart person’s doing, not a dumb person. Are you saying it’s “IQ45” to win bigly, Kraptkin?

K: and as usual, your ignorance is quite astonishing…
The economy surging? only in the FAUX world is the economy
surging… for everyone else in reality, it sucks…
and as for the rest of your assertion… that he defeated the Bush
Administration, and the Clinton administration both of whom was over
a decade before IQ45 was first elected… Clinton administration was
16 years before IQ45 was elected… and Biden won the 2020 election,
and Harris was never president, so no Administration… so, factually
you are wrong… as usual…

Kropotkin

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No it’s not, the US economy is surging.

peak delusion, the economy is terrible. he has probably harmed the economy worse than any other president. if even elon gave up on him, maybe you should consider that.

and trump won because his only competition was harris, biden, haley and desantis. it is like a victory at special olympics.