"On Freethinking"

Freethinker is a popular term thrown around atheists and agnostic circles. I use it myself to describe my spiritual belief. I posted on the subject of “Peace Tools for Atheists, Agnostics and Believers” to the ‘alt.atheist’ discussion group to open up some dialogue on what tools are available for the atheist or agnostic to use to generate inner peace in place of organized religion. All the tools and concepts I discussed were available for any person to use without the belief in God.

In my post I covered many tools from simplicity, compassion, classical philosophical studies, ethics, mindfulness, reciprocity, charity, accepting impermanence, developing gratitude and contentment, cutting back on craving and desires, working with natural law, balanced living, etc. I illustrated how I use freethinking to take tools for peace wherever I find them without prejudice and evaluate the tool on it own and not under guilt by association. All the tools I discussed were available to use without the belief in God.

I received the following 8 replies out of a membership of 1611 atheists ‘freethinkers’ subscribers from this post: http://www.agnosticforums.com/morality-laws/224-peace-tools-atheists-agnostics-believers.html

All replies below are from ‘alt.atheist’ usenet group:

“I’ve never been not at peace. What you offer makes me physically ill. It’s like a nasty man come round to tell little kiddees he has candy for them if they touch his pee pee. You know, most of the atheists I know are as good as children are at discerning misrepresentation. You aren’t trying to help anyone but your own self. Go away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee.”

“First of all, this is a newsgroup, not the freaking public library. Keep it short and to the point. Second, you’re full of s**t.”

“Stop posting your vile polemic deliberately nasty, lying Christian? Please go away. No-one is buying your poisonous diatribe. Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?”

“We know this deliberately nasty, slandering liar is a Christian by his fruits. A liar as well as an idiot. Don’t be so f**king stupid.”

“What the f**k has philosophy got to do with your in-your-face psychopathy?”

“You wouldn’t know “virtuous behaviour” if it hit you over the head, whining hypocrite who needs to get the log out of his own eye before accusing us of a projection of his own deficiencies.”

“So fking what? Keep it to yourself and nobody will know what an ahole you are.”

“Why would any atheist need tools for peace?”

All these replies came from non-freethinking atheists. How do I know they are non-freethinking atheist? Because of their replies. I do not expect for anyone to agree with any or all of my tools. But if we disagree with a concept, we must have another concept to replace what we have torn down in our minds as wrong. How do we know what is wrong unless we know what is right? With this group, all they could offer to replace my tools were ‘ad hominem’ arguments to destroy me and not destroy the concepts. Such non-freethinkers are characterized not by sound judgment, rationality and wisdom, but by a prejudiced insobriety of opinion that roots itself of egoistic pride. Through a life based in condemnation prior to investigation, they do not see that as they go to extreme measures to have no connection with spirituality, their actions also causes a lose of connection with any humanity.

Sure tearing others down appeals to ones ego and pride, but so did torturing insects when we were kids. When we grow up we need a different way to find self worth. As you instill seeds of peace within others you plant the same seeds and water these seeds within you as well. As you give so you receive. Is that from the bible or karma? No, it is just universal law. Do we like to be beaten down? Whenever we take it upon ourselves to beat down others, we are headed in a direction of destroying peace. We destroy our own peace as well as others peace. It takes no energy from me to pass something by and leave it alone in peace. But it takes my energy as well as my peace to pick something up to destroy it.

That is the beauty of being a freethinker. We can think for ourselves. As such, when we get a toolbox we can decide which tools to use for the job. Some tools are used a lot, other tools are left alone for the time being, and still others are trashed when we see they are broken and useless. Again, a freethinker is ‘free to decide’ how they wish to proceed. Just be careful of falling into the trap of ‘mind manacled freethinker’ as many ego based people fall into. And this especially applies to atheists who are notorious for falling into this trap.

Psychologist William James once said, “A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.” When we limit prejudice we can open our minds to truth and peace. And realize that “All Deities reside within the human breast,” ~ Blake

V (male)

Your gonna have a tough time with “Charity”, (which is Love) if you dont beleive in the author.

Free thinking… Sounds dangerous.

Two things I am curious about:

  1. Why would an atheist bother to post this in a religious forum? Not criticising mind you, just curious.

  2. Why is it that a number of the negative responses from the other athetists appear to be influenced from Judeo-Christian doctrine? Are they truly atheist, or just hiding in a crowd so as to be unnoticed?

My war is also against those who believe for no reason, whether it be the religious or atheists. Nobody should “choose” to be atheist without extremely well thought out, logical, and qualified reasons, just as I feel nobody should choose to be religious without well thought out, logical, qualified reasons.

“I’ve never seen the wind, but I’ve seen it’s affects.” — anonymous

Yes, the wind is something that exists and can’t be seen, same with the self and non-self debate in Buddhist circles. A self exits yet can’t be seen, same as gravity. Although none of this has much to do with the OP, but has to do with spiritual matters that study the unseen forces behind it all

V

Yes, right on both accounts. There seem to be two main types of atheists. Type one is the type that decides due to prejudice and defiance. Type two is the scientist or ‘knowledgeable about religion’ type that decides from study. Type two houses the freethinkers.

see my posts:

jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … opic=318.0

jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … opic=133.0

V

Ok? What’s your point then? My sig quote is just something that refers to God, it’s not an argument. It just means some things aren’t seen but are there and affect and effect things.

shrugs I would say that there is a third type of atheist. I think that both types of atheist that you mentioned are the type that would respond critically (as was seen) because they are not members of a generative philosophy.

It is all well and good to say that there is/are no god(s), but that isn’t a starting point. It is an aspect.

If you have researched religion and decided to be an atheist, you haven’t even scratched the tip of the religious iceburg.

A rejection of occidental notions of religion isn’t a philosophical stance, it is a null stance.

That’s why those who responded to you are indeed ‘free’ thinkers, because they are totally unfettered by the past and in rejection of the past.

Try to build a car unfettered and rejected by the past. Your ideas for atheistic self-improvement are good ones, but they reek of Buddhism (which based on your earlier posts makes sense). I have no problem with Buddhism, heck, I don’t go to temple as often as I’d like, but that isn’t what these people mean when they want to be atheists.