Do most people believe that because one has options to choose from, that there is free will? Is this the bottom line to believing in free will.
People believe in free will because they can’t accept that everything they do is already going to happen. Quantum Theory suggests that things are ‘random’, so free will might be derived from such. Or it could just mean we can’t accept the inevitable.
I believe in free will.
Well they will be happy when I tell them that even though they don’t have free will that everything they are going do has not already been chosen for them.
we dont have a choice, everything we have done and are going to do was and is already set out in stone.
How does that old story go? Something about a bloke seeing the Grim Reaper looking at him, so he flees a hundred miles away to Samara.
“I was surprised to see him here” thinks the G.R, “because I have an appointment with him tomorrow in a town called Samara”…
The moral? - We can’t flee our destiny…
I have to disagree. Even though we don’t have a choice, unknown factors enter into our lives and that would make destiny impossible. Unless there was a god spoon feeding us the factors.
How do you believe in destiny without believing in a god.
no doesnt matter what the event is, it was always going to happen, even if “god” were to intervene with events, that would always would have been what was goin to happen, howether i dont know what the rules are where “god” is. wether or not the rule of inevitability aplies when “God” acts in this world changes or not i dont know.
its not illogical to, if you belive in cause and effect and not in god then you can belive in destiny, simple as.
destiny is a word used in fairy tales, i belive in inevitability.
Good thing you don’t have to prove this.
What would then be the cause of inevitability?
What you or I decide to do, we’ll do. It’s gonna happen, whatever’s going to happen, and the beauty of it is that we get to choose how it’s all going down to a certain extent. Whatever we’re going to become is what we’re going to become. It hasn’t happened yet, so we can choose now…and now…and I can choose to SUDDENLY TYPE IN UPPER CASE because I choose to, spur of the moment. I mean, unless you know anyone who knows the future, looks like it’s just you and me making the future.
I think there’s less inevitability than we see in the world. I think we’ve been programmed to believe that things are going to happen, but really we just don’t have a full understanding of how they happen therefore, in ignorance, we decide it’s inevitable. It is this type of repetitive thinking in which we lose ourselves as active parts of the world, and sometimes we don’t even see our own will to change the world.
I am trying to understand why and for what reasons people believe in free will and not whether or not it exists.
past, present, future events all inevitable.
the cause ? the creation of existence and laws of the universe, the law is action-reaction, cause-consequense and every other name it has.
if you belive god break his own rules which i doubt instead follow his rules to change events, then it turns into predestination which still means you have no say in what your goin to do, or choice anyway.
I am trying to understand why and for what reasons people believe in free will and not whether or not it exists. Or whether or not future events all inevitable.
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- Destiny is a word for dumb girl groups and Disney.
- Yes, unknown variables do enter our lives. That eliminates predictability for the subject, not inevitability.
Oni Omega:
what exactly do you mean by “the creation of existence”? are you referring to your belief in a God?
also, where do the actions come from in the law of action-reaction?
NOTHING!
Unknown and uncontrollable factors enter our lives eliminating inevitability.
Suppose I walk out into the middle of the street, and immediately a large semitruck turns a corner and squishes me like a bug, thereby eliminating all my “options”. To me, that speeding truck was an unknown factor (I didn’t know it was coming) and an uncontrollable factor (I don’t have any control over trucks I’m not driving). But that truck still would have been in the same place where it hit me, regardless of whether I was there or not. The fact I was in that place at the same time the truck was to be there makes it inevitable that I would be run over.
That word uncontrollable causes problems for you. Just because an event is out of your control doesn’t mean that it’s not inevitable.
You really don’t have any control over the motion of the planets, but yet it’s inevitable that the earth revolves around the sun.
Thanks for the definition of inevitable, I had it wrong.