Pascal's Wager really is a great argument

Duh.
Of course there are but none of them point to some sort of cosmic transeiver betwixt the brain and the “soul”.
Run along now

Psychotic atheists are totally incapable of processing the proof that is right before their eyes because they are spiritually blind.Their +=- and -=+ philosophy science doesn’t explain anything at all because it’s a cognitively biased LIE!!!

The religious cult of atheism has invented non existent forces such as gravity and electromagnetism.This is the the reality of the situation.

What forces are they? Nobody has the first clue what these forces are because they are the invention of a psychotic mind which processes that individuals are consciousness.Psychotic atheists don’t know what consciousness is so how can they claim that they are consciousness?

+=- and -=+ philosophy science was derived from the GUESS that good is bad AND bad is good and claims that moral absolutes don’t exist.We all know that.We also know that the science that is founded upon this starting philosophy doesn’t work Sculptor!!!

You don’t understand this stuff because you are spiritually DEAD!!!

All of the physical is binary and ONLY transmits binary information derived from VIBRATION!!!.This is how it was DESIGNED!!! The physical body is also a receiver of binary information in the form of electromagnetic energy waves.

Science is EVOLVING to the truth of +/-=+/- philosophy because you can’t explain things with a half logic binary software.

You don’t know what you are talking about Sculptor,run along now you fool and take your nonsense philosophy and science with you.

I can’t help observing that, despite the fact you have both suggested it to each other, neither of you is running along.

You both run along, now.

You can hardly expect to be taken seriously when you open up like that.

Anyone would think that you did not have a single argumentative leg to stand on.

LOL

I think you and Jupiter 123 should get a room together.

Oooooh errrr Matron!!
Stop messing about!!

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Taken seriously by who?…psychotic atheists who are not in touch with reality by their own admission…how does that count Sculptor?

I suggest you try to understand at least SOME of the terms you are trying to use..

LOL

I’m too busy watching “season five episode three of the chosen” for your nonsense.

Psychotic atheists believe that they exist and don’t exist and are an illusion ….or Batman or Robin…or whatever their deluded mind dreams up next.They don’t live in reality.

A binary processing biological machine which doesn’t possess spiritual life computes the same.

There is no life in existence and non existence Sculptor.

It’s definitely an interesting case. But, it’s not that simple. According to Wikipedia, the doctor who first treated Gage and reported on his personality, was a phrenologist whose findings may have been affected by that pseudoscience. A report of Gage’s physical and mental condition shortly before his death suggests that his most serious mental changes were temporary so that later in life, he was far more functional and socially better adapted, then in the years immediately following his accident. A neuropsychiatric review of the case in 1940 concluded “The uncertain extent of his brain damage and the limited understanding of his behavioral changes render Gage of more historical than neurological interest.” Writing in “Great Myths of the Brain”(2014) cognitive neuroscientist Christian Jarrett notes that Gage’s story is used to promote “the myth found in hundreds of psychology and neuroscience, textbooks, plays films, poems, and YouTube skits that personality is located in the frontal lobes and once those are damaged, a person is changed forever.”

Absolutist metaphysical materialism that prevailed in the hallowed halls of the mid 20th century scientific academy is undergoing a paradigm shift. Neuroscience itself has undermined the belief that our perception of the material world is a direct unbiased, accurate reflection of how things truly are. Neuroscience demonstrates that the brain actively constructs our perception of reality rather than merely reflecting it passively. The brain uses top down processing. Existing knowledge, beliefs, and expectations affect how sensory information is interpreted. Perception is not solely based on raw sensory data. It is actively shaped by internal frameworks, leading to subjective experiences, even when perceiving the same stimuli.

So all metaphysical models are mind-dependent including materialistic ones. Neuroscience shows that a naïve realistic view of the material world is unjustified.

What’s the connection? We’re back at the hard problem with consciousness.

Correlation is not causation.

What do you mean by healthy? People who have been totally paralyzed, and apparently in a coma have reported that they were fully conscious when they were unable to move. Their consciousness may have been perfectly healthy while their expressive ability was totally disabled.

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Yes all very interesting. The fact that his “mind” and personality was partially restored in later life was due to the fact of the physical repair of the brain and the plasticity of the brain being able to literally re-wire itself.
None of what you say here diminished his example in terms of my thesis.
And you still have all to do in terms of some sort of theory of an incorporeal entity, which you would have to accept was demaged by a settl pole.

THe brain is wholly responsible for generating the mond. So no problem here.

Thank you for underlining my thesis.
I’m not sure what you are trying to point to in terms of your “soul” idea.

Did you know that removing or damaging the fusiform gyrus ribs a person of the ability to recgnise a face. Their visual ability is unchanged. They can see and describe faces, and point out ears and mouths and beards. But show them a face of Hitler or their own mother and they will only be able to guess their gender.
Damage another area (Paraventricular nucleus) of the brain and it can rob them of the ability to find food satiating. Such people get very fat on very little food. And are doomed to be damgerously obese against their “will”.
Other areas affect speach.. ad infinitem..
SO yeah - if the soul operated the body somehow what can’t it recognise its own mother without a healthy fusiform gyrus.?

Obviously by “HEALTHY” I mean, an organ which has a good blood supply to fulfil its needs in fuels and oxygen to run mind processes. In other words not DEAD.

It’s more than you have offered.

And as you see above I have offered directly causes.

You might also want to look up

Wernicke’s Area; Broca’s Area; and the Primary Visual Cortex.

I’m not sure what role your “soul” has here?

To me it makes sense that mind and brain are two aspects of the same substance. That substance as mediated by the senses is material. There is no matter outside the senses. That substance as revealed to consciousness directly is the mind. By mind I refer to the objects or contents of consciousness—-the stream of thoughts, images etc.

So, I have not denied the relationship of brain damage to cognitive impairment. In fact, I’m claiming that they are the same thing from two different points of view.

The main deficiency I see with the Phineas Gage case is that we don’t have his self report. What was it like before and after the pole ran through his head? But, we have, in more recent times the reports of many other experiencers of brain injuries and diseases and these are most relevant.

One such report that I have found illuminating is given by Jill Bolte Taylor, a Harvard, trained neuroanatomist, who experienced a massive stroke in the left hemisphere of her brain. She observed her mind deteriorated to the point that she could not walk talk read write or recall any of her life all within four hours. She reports that she “alternated between euphoria of the intuitive and kinesthetic right brain in which she felt a sense of complete well-being and peace, and the logical sequential left brain which recognize she was having a stroke and enabled her to seek help before she was completely lost.” She considers the stroke to be “a blessing and a revelation that taught her that by stepping to the right of our left brains, we can all uncover feelings of well-being that are often sidelined by brain chatter.”

Anyway, to bring this discussion back around to Pascal’s wager somehow, I’ll venture that the Pascal’s basic insight into our existential situation is that it being finite, we should seriously consider how to make the most of it.

Pascal’s Wager is an existentialist risk-reward scenario…my favorite because it applies to everyone.

Don’t talk nonsense ..of course there is immaterial outside of the material.Just because your lifeless binary processing biological machine has come to the conclusion that there is no immaterial doesn’t mean that it’s the truth.

A binary processing biological machine is only material and can only compute that it exists and doesn’t exist. It doesn’t possess spiritual life because it isn’t immaterial.

There is no life in existence and non existence.

There is no life in a mere materialistic binary processing machine.

You’re misrepresenting what he said. I’m reporting it to admin. Hopefully if people wanna know what he said, they actually read what he said, and don’t base it off of your misinterpretation. That is a huge problem in Philosophy. Even when we’re reading the source material … the interpretation that is taught is bullshit.

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You are reporting someone because you believe that they have misinterpreted someone else…lol

I’ve heard it all before Ichthus.

Your deep rooted beliefs are being challenged that’s all.