Pascal's Wager really is a great argument

I’m not trying to hurt you.

I’m trying to teach you.

When I say that I fucking hate you etc…

It’s the fastest way to get a person to think.

Walls of text are rude.

My mind is efficient that way.

Oh come here you silly billy gimme a hug

You have no clue how powerful I am.

It was given to me by all of you.

It means nothing to me. I don’t mean to insult you by saying that.

I just want to find women who don’t date me because of my power.

All of you gave me so much power that it’s incomprehensible.

I just like to have normal conversations and make stupid jokes.

I suggest finding love, reconnecting with mother. That way your solipsism will hopefully dissolve and you’ll once again believe that this world isn’t a figment of your mind, there is the Other: first mother, then father, then the realisation of God. Until then, you will imagine you created human language, you will make up words (neologism), mess with syntax (poverty of speech), and convince yourself that you made the world (delusions of grandeur). All symptoms of schiz.

Nah. It doesn’t work that way. I’m the weakest person here.

Jesus actually said it best.

What you do to the least of us, you do to me.

I have all the power in existence.

I chose to give it brakes to test all of you.

You wanted education after all.

“I suggest finding love, reconnecting with mother.”

Mother doesn’t like it when Ecmandu is a bad boy, does she, Ecmandu? How she used to scold you and send you to your room for OCDing out on your food at dinner time and moving it around with your fork like an autistic kid with a 163 IQ. How you used to complain and become obstinate because you didn’t want clothes from TJ Max. How you refused to join the baseball team like mom and dad wanted because you thought you were too good for sports when really you were a wuss who was more interested in science books. When you use wire hangers instead of plastic ones. Mother doesn’t like that does she, Ecmandu? This is a safe space and you can say anything you want.

I don’t want to scare you; because this is actually the truth. You’ll be condemned because others want to condemn you.

They have right of condemnation over you, unless they go further than you went, then you’ll be condemned.

That’s the old law.

Everyone hated me for forgiving everyone.

I’m letting you decide.

Sure. Anything is possible.

It seems most probable that if atheists are right, they’ll never know. They’ll just be dead.

The two keys to making the best wager are: How likely a religion is to be true and how high the stakes are in accepting/rejecting it. Everyone risks making the wrong wager. There are no guarantees in life except death. :slight_smile:

How do you think the wager is valid if there are many potential gods?

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It is by default more valid than doing nothing. So the question is: how do you take into account all possible gods, factoring in the likelihood of each of them existing, and also factoring in the conditional value of how retributive each god is expected to be if you don’t profess belief to it.

Assuming one would be able to do an analysis like that, which I certainly have not done, nor ever seen anyone do, the result would in all likelihood have the traditional wester-cultural or Christian idea-image of God somewhere near the top of the list.

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Although it is certainly possible that the Muslim version of God would be number one on that list. But since Islam is shit, I wouldn’t be coerced into believing it just because of Pascal’s Wager. So the value and quality of the specific god/religion in question does play a part here. Unless you want to be a pure 100% Pascal Wager fan, and just believe whatever comes out on top of the list I mentioned. But then you would first have to actually go about creating that list, to which I say… good luck.

The more realistic approach is simply to employ the wager with respect to whatever cultural-geographic religious beliefs happen to dominate where you are. This might hold not only practically speaking but also logically, if we countenance any possible deity as having the minimum level of basic rationality to not hold people accountable for not believing in stuff they were never actually exposed to in their lives based on the accidental location of their birth.

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And if we can’t even countenance that much… we’re probably seriously fucked anyway.

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Great points.

Atheists also risk making the wrong wager.

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Why do you think Islam is shit?

You mean besides the anti-intellectualism and lack of self-criticism for having never gone through a Reformation period like Christianity did, the killing of those who leave the religion and killing those who mock their prophet, the barbaric medievalism of having a revered ‘prophet’ who was a warlord capturing women and girls as sex slaves and had sex with a 9 year old girl as his “wife” (one of many wives), the female genital mutilation, the killing of gays, the lack of basic human rights for being a fundamentalist religious-based political system with no concept of separation of church and state or freedom of speech, its predictable third world status and mass poverty in areas of the world that are full of Muslims, their systematic allowed sexual abuse of women and girls in their own countries and in the west too (if you want an example of true rape culture just look at Islamic areas of the world), the continued use of actual slavery in Muslim nations today, their commandment to lie to non-Muslims and deceive them, coerced prayer sessions three times a day, or the fact most Muslims worldwide want to live under Sharia (yes look up what that really means) and the western world is already being flooded with Muslims leading to increases in violent attacks, sexual crimes and acts of terroristic mass murder? You mean besides all that?

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Got it. :slight_smile:

The Quran is interesting. It claims Jesus was not crucified.

Jesus’s crucifixion is a historical fact.

I wasn’t there so I can’t way either way.

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Pretty much every historical scholar believes Jesus was crucified including atheists like Bart Ehrman.

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Nice then :+1: :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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