Pascal's Wager really is a great argument

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I don’t like it because it grants cognitive value to an arbitrary notion.

Sounds a lot like a wager with the threat of eternal damnation on one hand and eternal heaven on the other. I don’t really believe in either.

For me I believe in reincarnation and if there is a hell this world we inhabit currently is about as close as you can get to that. In Buddhism this world or sphere is the temptation of Mara who challenges us in our path to enlightenment.

You need to exist to claim that you exist and don’t exist.You need to exist to claim anything at all.If you claim that you don’t exist then you are a liar.

So at the very minimum you are a lifeless binary processing biological machine which claims that it exists and doesn’t exist because it doesn’t possess life.

You are confusing existence and non existence with life MrAuthoritarian.

They are completely different.

So the wager is …take a chance …try your luck, if you will …on seeking out the eternal source of all the excellent qualities/perfections… and if you find it, you potentially have them (in ever increasing magnitude) forever, but if you don’t even seek it, you settle for less forever, despite the potentiality.

If we’re still able to recognize the excellent here, then here is not hell. Some people are in hell here, but not everyone. And if people are in hell here, they went the wrong way on the wager, and will never wager toward the excellent way…but that is not for us to determine. For us (here) the invitation is a standing one.

For those of us who have wagered toward the excellent way, we are already on the path and passed from death to life. Heaven… recognition of the excellent… starts here.

This isn’t hell. This isn’t heaven. This is helleaven. It’s our choice/wager that makes us see it either way.

You’ve wagered poorly so far.

…but you’re here. So there’s that.

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Poorly? I think I’ve done just fine all things considered. Existence is suffering, Samsara.

This world is the epitome of hell in many ways, the only thing that makes any of it worth something is the small pockets of joy, happiness, or tranquility within it. Although they are few and far in between in a sea of endless suffering.

There is no real joy without suffering (overcoming). Count it all joy.

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That is very much true.

Why are you sporting a profile picture of Stalin making a heart shape with his hands?

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I am a fan of Joseph Stalin.

I chose the religion with the highest stakes (the most stark eternal life like eternal bliss or eternal torment) with the best founder; that’s Jesus and the original church which is Catholicism, in my analysis.

That’s one way to apply the wager.

What do you think?

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The Hindu cosmology has 14 planes of existence, seven heavens and seven hells. The plane we’re on now can be considered the highest hell or the lowest heaven.

You say you’ve picked the religion with the highest stakes, but the question is, do you live like you believe it?

Hindu Hell is temporary and based on deeds, right?

I try to do more good than bad.

You need to be perfect from day one.God is perfect and can’t look on imperfection.

No amount of your good works will save you.Many believe that they can and are in for a big shock.

Only perfection can have mercy upon you and save you.Someone has to pay the price of your imperfection perfectly to meet God’s righteous justice and you are totally incapable of doing that for yourself.

Hindu scriptures teach that heaven inhale our temporary realms experience based on one’s karma. Good deeds lead to the temporary enjoyment of heavenly pleasures in Svarga, while bad deeds result in temporary suffering in Maraka. Neither is the ultimate goal in Hinduism, which is liberation from the cycle of birth, death and rebirth.

Wouldn’t you do that any way? That seems like a lukewarm response to the possibility of eternal heaven or hell. I think most people try to do that based on common sense without reference to Pascal”s wager or even whether they believe God exists or not. Doing good is ordinarily intrinsically rewarding in many cases without belief in an afterlife. If doing good most of the time is all Pascal’s wager produces as an effect, it seems its effct is negligible.

I’d probably be more selfish if I was an atheist.

Based on your self described behavior, Pascal’s wager is a mediocre argument at best.

The argument depends more on the religion with the best founder and the best afterlife.

That Jesus and Catholicism, in my judgement. :+1:

If you really believed that you would be living accordingly. Pascal‘s wager is like an insurance policy for the lukewarm. It reminds me of what Dietrich Bonhoeffer called “cheap grace" a form of grace that is readily available and does not require any personal commitment or sacrifice from the recipient. It’s like a “free” offer, rather than a grace that demands discipleship and following Christ. Bonhoeffer contrasts cheap grace with “costly grace,” which he views as the true and transformative grace of God that calls for discipleship and obedience.