What is interesting about female human behavior is most illustrated in acts of sex.
In a majority of expressions the woman likes to be in a state of physical and often enough mental submission dominated by the male. In sex itself there is a sort of sado maschoism at play on the part of the female in her desire and pleasure of being dominated by the male. This sort of relationship of course extends out of sexual intercourse by also being in other portions of their lives in the daily social sphere as well.
It is clear that women like to be dominated and in submission to men by all accounts. It is clear this where they’re the most happiest in life.
I second Smears’ objection. I’ll also add that maybe some women learn to act submissive because that’s what’s expected from them. Maybe they even learn to expect that from themselves after a while. That doesn’t necessarily mean they like it.
You mean you wonder if women are more useful when they are submissive? That would strike me as being useful in a way they probably wouldn’t like. I mean, slaves are useful, but look at the cost.
I think a lot of them though end up serving the purpose of being hot, and then they don’t live like slaves at all. If I managed to doll myself up such that I could live a life of leisure off someone who wanted to support me, I would consider that a pretty big win. I mean let’s be honest, I don’t see em taking over science or politics anytime soon. Do you?
I think a trophy is a hot girl that you use for the purpose of showing off. I don’t particularly care about showing them off. I just like a girl who has a lot of wind, and some athleticism. And it’s nice when they take care of themselves to remain smooth and hairless and yeah…
you got the whole thing screwed up…women want to control men…that is #1 on their list…part of that control in sex is being on the bottom when they want a baby…you get the sperm in the right place…
The true female desire is to let the man think he’s in a dominant position. She is much more subtle about her power over men.
In the example of porn, I think it’s safe to say the female actress is getting paid much more than the male. They are catering to the male fantasy of domination. This creates a lot of expectation in men that don’t match up to how societal roles are changing and how women are taking the lead. It’s no wonder that just as women assert their power, does the homesexual man appear as one of the most adaptive of gender types. It’s almost like a competive answer by some men who know themselves weaker to their surface attraction to females. They know their mother wears the pants in the family and they wish to emulate them.
Swept away, sure. Dominated? Doesn’t fit my experience.
That the man initiates (and loses Control himself), sure, there is some tendency in that direction.
That the man rules her, governs her, is higher in the pecking order - cough cough - nah.
I don’t Think the domination metaphor really works here, unless we are dealing with a real domination/submission pattern like in, ironically, dominatrix governed sex. But really you can’t even use S&M sex as an example since most participants will say the Ms are in Control of the situation.
Domination is hierarchy, in this case it would be a small classed based society of two. No, just don’t see that.
As far as I can tell the woman wants her pleasure and my pleasure, and most of the one’s I’ve encountered do not put their own pleasure in a lower class than mine. They also do not want me, primarily, controlling things, but prefer that I am as lost in what is going on as they are. Of course, there are exceptions, like say in oral sex, where someone is the focus.
IN animal domination someone’s needs, the dominated ones, are less important. They get a lower rank. Sorry, I just don’t find the women I meet wanting a lower rank and for their pleasure to take a back seat to mine.
I Think you are conflating initiative with domination.
You got it absolutely right.
This is precisely what happens and sometimes men confuse it with surrender of the women because men use to take only their own pleasure into account than women.
But, i would like to take it further.
As we discussed in the other thread, women are smarter and wiser than men in managing things. They asses the situation better than men during sex and aware of the fact that if a little bit of more liberty would not be allowed to the men, they (men) would lose interest in the sex immediately.
Contrary to general perception, men are more sensitive and respond immediately in both positive and negative ways. They use to turn on and turn off like electric button. Though, it is a thumb rule only and there may be some exceptions.
Let us imagine a situation. Say that there is a couple engaged in foreplay. They are done with it and the man is ready to enter. What would happen if the female would just mention about a bad report card of the son at that moment? The immediate result would be that the male would lose erection. All in vain.
The fact of the matter is if you put oral sex aside, then a female would be unable to have any pleasure if the male is not getting pleasure. Because, in that case, the male would not get any hard on and that would negate any possible pleasure for a female too. So, it is almost a compulstion for women to give pleasure to men. But, a men can have some pleasure even if women is not getting. That is why sometimes they just do not get clearly what is going on in the subconscious mind of the women.
Women understand it very well. That is why they also use to keep the interest of the men alive by giving them some extra liberty. But, i am not saying that they use to plan it out in the day how to behave in the bed tonight.
It comes natural to them as the nature has endowed them this quality. And, that is why they are better care takers than men.
But, this is changing and the basic character of females is changing and they are getting closer to men in nature.
