janethphil
December 11, 2006, 5:29pm
1
Can someone please help me define or explain this problematic argument:
The universe exists
Something must have create it
thus; God must exist as its creator
Navigator
December 11, 2006, 5:42pm
2
It’s called the Teleological Argument. It fails, because the second premise is not necessarily true.
Xunzian
December 11, 2006, 5:45pm
3
The premise on the second point is flawed.
Not all that exists has been conciously created by something.
Waves exist
Something must create the waves
Therefore, God exists.
It can be applied to anything. If you want to label any unknown ‘cause’ God, then it works. That is certainly what the ancients did with things like waves.
Club29
December 11, 2006, 5:52pm
4
janethphil:
Can someone please help me define or explain this problematic argument:
The universe exists
Something must have create it
thus; God must exist as its creator
This argument sucks. Try this one.
Everything that comes into existence has a cause.
The universe came into existence.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Then from there, who knows what the cause actually is.
janethphil
December 11, 2006, 5:52pm
5
I tought this argumente was called the cosmological argument
Xunzian
December 11, 2006, 5:58pm
6
Club,
Tristan
December 11, 2006, 6:39pm
8
Club29:
janethphil:
Can someone please help me define or explain this problematic argument:
The universe exists
Something must have create it
thus; God must exist as its creator
This argument sucks. Try this one.
Everything that comes into existence has a cause.
The universe came into existence.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Then from there, who knows what the cause actually is.
In this form, the first premise is false, and the second premise isn’t too shabby either. Overall, the whole argument is unsound. Valid, but not sound, given the first and second premises are false.
Club29
December 13, 2006, 4:59am
9
Tristan:
Club29:
janethphil:
Can someone please help me define or explain this problematic argument:
The universe exists
Something must have create it
thus; God must exist as its creator
This argument sucks. Try this one.
Everything that comes into existence has a cause.
The universe came into existence.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Then from there, who knows what the cause actually is.
In this form, the first premise is false, and the second premise isn’t too shabby either. Overall, the whole argument is unsound. Valid, but not sound, given the first and second premises are false.
Mind disproving them?
I think you mean they’re not facts. There are however have good arguments backing those two premises.
(there Xunzian lol)