Pursuit of the ''TRUTH''

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When we make a statement, for example,
‘‘The world is evil’’ that statement is treated as
‘‘truth’’ or ‘‘true’’… as human beings, we make many
such statements… all the while believing that each
statement is ‘‘true’’… unless you are a conservative/
IQ45, you make statements that are ‘‘true’’… or statements
that you believe are true…

But there lies a problem within making ‘‘truth’’ statements…
Quite often, these ‘‘true’’ or ‘‘truth’’ statement don’t tell
us anything… one prominent ‘‘truth’’ statement is
1 + 1 = 2… that statement is considered to be the
epitome of ‘‘true’’ statements… you can’t get any more
‘‘truth’’ in any other statement… 1 + 1 = 2…
that is the gold standard in ‘‘true’’ statements…
and yet, think about it… 1 + 1 = 2, while being
a ‘‘true’’ statement, offers us nothing…
we can’t do anything with that ‘‘truth’’…
ok, 1 + 1 = 2, now what? What is next?
Where do we go from this statement,
1 + 1 = 2? it tells us nothing… to give that
‘‘truth’’ statement some meaning, we have to
add statements to it… 1 + 1 = 2, means that
we have something that is ‘‘certain’’‘… factual,
and without doubt… this is really the equivalent of
Descartes ‘‘Cogito ergo sum’’’ ‘‘I think therefor I am’’
it used is to create certainty, trust, conviction to our lives…
and yet, the ‘‘truth’’ is that 1 + 1 = 2, is not, is not,
a certainty… I can easily imagine a world, or an
alternative universe where 1 + 1 does not equal to 2…
basically, because the ‘‘truth’’ statement of 1 + 1 = 2,
tells us nothing… it leads us nowhere, and it answers
no questions of existence… What is the point of life?
What does it mean to be human? What goal of existence
should I be reaching for? nor does it answer any of
the Kantian question, ''What am I to do?" ‘‘What can I believe in’’
or ''What can I know?"

And most statements around here, ILP, fall into the
1 + 1 = 2 territory, they are statements that tell us
nothing about what it means to be human…
‘‘Liberals are evil’’ that statement is so vague as
to be meaningless… it will take a great deal of
context to make that statement work…
first of all, we have to work out the word ‘‘liberal’’
for an American Liberal is vastly different that
a European Liberal… Which one are we referring to?
and the word ‘‘Evil’’ we have to compare and contrast
the word ‘‘Evil’’ to have some understanding of
what ‘‘Evil’’ is… the statement ‘‘Liberal are evil’’
requires a great deal of context to make sense…
that statement cannot stand on its own… without
some sort of context, the statement, ‘‘Liberals are
evil’’ makes no sense…

Let us take another example, the liberal idea of
‘‘WOKE’’ is wrong… ok, the statement itself needs
context to make any sense… how is ‘‘WOKE’’
‘‘wrong’’… the pejorative statement, ''He is ‘‘WOKE’’..
requires, demands some sort of context to make sense…
What exactly is ‘‘WOKE’’ and why is ‘‘WOKE’’ wrong?
‘‘WOKE’’ requires some sort of context to make sense
of why it is wrong… and around here, that context is
never provided… it is not compared or contrasted to
something that allow us to move past that statement…
‘‘He is WOKE’’ has to have contrast or comparison for
it to make sense… it is not a ‘‘truth’’ statement
because it has to have far more statements for
us to make sense of that ‘‘he is WOKE’’…
by itself, ‘‘He is WOKE’’ makes no sense,
at least in understanding what it means to be human…
it doesn’t answer any type of Kantian question..
''What am I to do?" ''What can I believe in?"
''What can I know?"…

let us work this out further…

Kropotkin

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one often hears conservatives wailing about
how we need to return to being a Christian nation…
and so, what is the context of this statement?

It comes from a perceived lack of morals in this country…
and yet, that very statement, ‘‘We need to return to
Christian values’’ is lacking in context…
for example, why Christian values? why not another
religion value? Say Buddhism or Hindu values…
But we were founding on Christian values…
but were we? as been noted before,
in 1796, there was a treaty between the U.S
and the Barbary State of Tripoli, and in that treaty,
Article 11, states that the U.S Government was not founded
on the Christian religion…

One of the other problems with this question of
morals, lies within the very notion of what it means to
be Christian… are we talking about Catholics, or
protestant, or a smaller denomination of protestant?
Which version of Christianity are we talking about?

Now the next question is, do Christians today,
actually, practice Christianity as practice by Jesus?
the answer is clearly no…the war on the poor,
minorities, women, gays, trans people clearly doesn’t
reflect Christian values… Where Jesus offered us
the one value we must practice in our lives, and
that value is love… how does the war on the poor
or minorities, reflect this Christian value of love?
It is quite clear that Christians don’t practice their
own declared values… the bible was quite clear
in its values of being against the wealthy, the evil,
the unrighteous…as exhibited by the 10 commandments…
thou shall not… and clearly the modern day conservative
is failing to even pretend to practice those 10 commandments…
let us take IQ45… practically every single day, he violates one
or more of the 10 commandments… and yet, as daily violator
of the 10 commandments, he is still celebrated among the
conservatives… is that hypocrisy really what it means to be
a Christian? So, when someone declares that the U.S
can only be saved by Christian values, does that mean
we practice the ongoing hypocrisy of the right?

Where is the ‘‘Truth’’ within the statement that America
must return to Christian values, when conservatives
and the pretend religious themselves don’t practice
Christian values… where does the ‘‘TRUTH’’ lie
within this statement, ''America must return to Christian values"

If we were to practice Christian values, what exactly does
that mean? and notice few ever actually engage with
an understanding of what values are actually Christian
values?

and let us engage with some examination of Christian
values with the Liberal values of ''WOKE"

Kropotkin

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the other day, ICE interrupted a children’s
Halloween parade, in Chicago, they interrupted
the parade with tear gas… nothing shows us
Christian values than dropping tear gas on
a children’s parade… the governor of Illinois,
a JB Pritzker, asked ICE and its department
head of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, not
to disturbed Halloween with more attacks on
children… the self proclaimed Christian,
Noem, refused and even said, they would
step up their raids on Halloween…

So, who exactly is practicing Christians values,
Noem or Pritzker? It doesn’t take a rocket
scientist to figure that one out…and the
interesting part of this is that conservatives/the right
are always shouting about the Children…
What about the children? is their daily cry…
they have made part of their entire value about
the safety and health of children… until it is not
convenient… for example, the current SNAP
problem with the government not paying SNAP
this month due to the government shutdown…
to save money, the SNAP program has been
suspended… thus millions of children now face
a lack of food… where is the Christian value in
making children suffer from a lack of food?
Conservatives, as usual, start with the family
lack of money to buy food… it is a family/parents
fault for a lack of food… and yet, the government itself
has fired, dismissed hundreds of thousands of people…
and corporations have been firing people, so how
exactly is that one person’s fault?
People want to work and they are prevented from
working by the government and big business trying
to ‘‘save’’ money… so, why do we punish those
people with statements along the lines of,
''it’s the parents fault? and why do conservatives/the right
try to blame the parents for failure that is clearly isn’t their
fault? Because to put the blame on those who actually
are starving families and specifically children, which is
the conservative/the right… they blame the parents because
to cast true blame would require conservatives to blame
their own beliefs and ideology… because the conservatives
pray to and engage with money/profits before people…
and that is certainly not being Christian…
to worship money over god is a violation of one
of the ‘‘thou shall not’’… show me an instance of
where conservatives put people before money?
and I can show you hundreds of examples, taxes for
one, as an example of money before people…
that the conservatives/right wing practices…

and so now we return to the opening statement,
''What is the ''truth?" the Truth is found in a union of
the words used and the practice followed…
if the words match the actions, then that is ‘‘true’’…
we cannot call ‘‘true’’ where the words and actions
don’t match…

and given what we have worked out, who is closer
to the ‘‘truth’’, liberals or conservatives?
ask a conservative, what is wrong with liberals,
and you get a litany of actions, and yet, who is
really practicing the truth? our words better
match our actions… unlike the conservative…
or said another way, who is closer to being/practicing
a Christian, Noem or Pritzker?

Conservatives certainly preach the good word, but
rarely ever practice the good word…
Liberals are far more likely to practice Christian
values, and yet, far more liberals than conservatives,
are athests… how do we solve this conundrum?
by the basic fact that liberals practice Christian values
far more than conservatives… examples of this abound,
who is fighting for Christian values like people before
profits, or the immigrants to have the same protection
under the law as Americans? For that is Christian values…
putting people before the law…and even putting people
before money/profits…

Let us examine this closer with the ongoing argument
of ''Open borders"…

Kropotkin

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one of the common attacks on liberals is
the ‘‘Open border’’ attack… we are in favor
of ‘‘Open borders’’… and the conservative/right
is not… but the problem with this attack, is
the basis of the premise… how is ‘‘Open borders’’
right or wrong? on what values do you judge
the idea of ''Open borders?"

If one were a Christian, then ‘‘Open borders’’ is not
really a problem because we should be engaged in
helping our fellow human being… as the bible
and Jesus said time and again…

Now one might argue that allow ‘‘Open borders’’
allows greater crime in America, and yet, no evidence
is ever produced for this statement… one immigrant
attacks a woman and all immigrants are instantly
condemned by this one attack… if a dog attacks
a child, then all dogs by extension are a danger to
children, hence, we must get rid of dogs, right?
that is the essence of the danger of the immigrant
attack… condemning all people of a group because
one person, ONE PERSON, did something wrong…
and that is the basis of most conservative attacks…
one crime condemns everyone in that class…
it doesn’t matter if thousands of people within that
class does the right thing, one person can bring
about condemnation of all those other people…
therein lies the conservative attacks…

condemn all for one person actions…

the next point is the allowing immigrants dilutes,
eliminates purely American ideas and viewpoints…
the white race will be eliminated by the many non-white
races ‘‘invading’’ America… and as usual, where is the
evidence? Show me examples of this actually happening
in America…where are the facts in this case?
don’t mention Europe, or England, show me purely
American facts and evidence… I’ll wait…

moving right along, this brings us to what most
right wing, conservatives do… they don’t bring us
evidence, or facts, they bring in Emotional ideas…
if I feel it’s true, it must be true… a common point
endorsed by IQ45… he believes that liberal cities
are crime ridden and as he calls them, ‘‘War Zones’’
and yet, he can’t point to a single city where this is true…
Portland for example, I have cousins living outside of
Portland and they tell me that Portland hasn’t changed
at all since they moved away (and then back)
to Portland… there is no evidence or facts supporting
the idea that Portland is a ‘‘War Zone’’… the many
pictures and videos from Portland show us that Portland
is a thriving, stable city with no evidence of being a
''War Zone"… facts and evidence don’t enter the
equation of the conservatives/right wing…
they use their ‘‘gut’’ feelings to bring us evidence/facts…
the conservatives says, I feel the inner city is ‘‘War torn’’ so it
must be true…and let us not allow any facts or evidence to
disturb our feelings…

and the attack on ‘‘Open borders’’ is just another example
of feelings being the ‘‘truth’’ of ‘‘Open borders’’…no
facts, or evidence need be found… just our ‘‘gut feelings’’

So, this question of ‘‘Open borders’’ stem from what one
uses as facts or evidence, or one’s perspective/viewpoint
of ‘‘Open borders’’… if we use a Christian viewpoint,
then we not only accept ‘‘Open borders’’ but we encourage it…
for that is Christian values… to love my fellow neighbors,
regardless, whether or not, they are legal… for the bible nor Jesus,
breaks out that love of our neighbors by whether or not
they are legal neighbors or not… because in the bible
it doesn’t matter if one is a legal immigrant or not…
love doesn’t discriminate like conservatives do…
love, as described by the bible and Jesus, is not
about accepting only those who fit a certain criteria,
legal, white, Christian, straight, man… it doesn’t matter
because love is love is love, no matter who it refers to…
or what their legal status is…

Whose values are more accepting of people?
right wing values or liberal values? ‘‘WOKE’’
values are about accepting others, to be
tolerant of others, to give others, all others dignity,
to accept others even if their values differ than my
values… for to be a Christian is to do just that…
accept others even if, even if their values are
not my values… to accept the gay person even
if their values don’t match mine values, to accept
a trans person even if, if their values don’t match
my values…

That our words match our actions is the path, the only
path to the ‘‘truth’’…the exceptions of not matching
our words with our actions, is the path to ‘‘untruth’’
to allowing lies to guide our division of words
and actions…

Basically, it is an all or nothing viewpoint…
we either accept all or we deny all… we can’t
justify exceptions by pointing to our feelings as
being the guideline for our actions… either we
practice the bible and love our fellow neighbors
or we don’t, and if we don’t, we are not, rightfully
so, not Christian…

Creating exceptions is done by the right to protect
their own invalid beliefs and values…

Kropotkin

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america is the empire of lies,

they hate prisoners and love billionaires

they claim to be about “democracy” while they sabotage democracy throughout the world

this video will make it more clear:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-Kvqe2iY0aU

there is a channel called “Redacted”, they are often pretty based but they still don’t get it. One day they will make a video criticizing Trump then then next video praise him as their leader who’s going to save America. Some of the guests they have on their talk-show don’t seem to know what Capitalism truly is. They seem to have this neoliberal view of the world and still believe in meritocracy fantasies like its the 1960s or something. One of their guests who is a neoliberal says he believes in giving foodstamps to the poor, but only “temporarily”. And the neoliberal also believes in free-markets, like he still believe in 1960s neoliberal economics. Its like bruh Do you know that ai will take all the jobs? do you know what Capitalism is? and yet they have this fantasy that ubi or foodstamps is shameful, and just a bandaid, like somehow in their magical free market it wont be needed for future generations. As if they never heard of and that they don’t understand billionaire capitalist economic systems.

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and what is a neoliberal?

Kropotkin

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neoliberals are beyond retarded. They believe that everyone should be entrepreneurs and start a business. Which is physically impossible because if everyone had a business then there would be no workers to run the business. Even if they got robot workers to run the business, there would be far too many businesses for anybody to choose from, and most would fail.

neoliberals are just another way for Capitalists to control society. they promote the “freedom” thing in order for capitalists to have endless freedom to infiltrate nations and rig markets. this video explains it better:

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futureone:
neoliberals are beyond retarded. They believe that everyone should be entrepreneurs and start a business. Which is physically impossible because if everyone had a business then there would be no workers to run the business. Even if they got robot workers to run the business, there would be far too many businesses for anybody to choose from, and most would fail.

neoliberals are just another way for Capitalists to control society. they promote the “freedom” thing in order for capitalists to have endless freedom to infiltrate nations and rig markets. this video explains it better:

K: you used an awful lot of words and yet, you still haven’t told us
what a neoliberal is?

Kropotkin

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i literally posted a video explaining what a neoliberal is

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I don’t do vids… use your words…

Kropotkin

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True about the way things are (right now, or right here, some other time or place, or everytimeplace taken together?), true about what you want that isn’t how it ought to be, true about the way it ought to be that it isn’t (right here, now, even though there is something necessary in every possible moment and space)? It’s all so very confusing, isn’t it?

Mayhaps you would fancy this thread?

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The parade was scheduled hours from when tear gas was deployed.

Gotta love those neighborhood watch rapid responders dealing with a lukewarm brood of bovine excrement, though.

I might have more to say if you hadn’t chopped up everything into little choppy non-sentences.