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I have often felt great amounts of empathy for the transsexual crowd. I’m sure they ask: Am I a guy that likes the sheer fabrics and clinging knits for their sensual feel, the power that they bring, or is it just the challenge of finding a size 13 mule with matching tube top!? How do I get my eight inch cock and goose egg sized balls taped up around my anus without walking funny? Grace is needed when strolling the damp midnight streets. The role confusion is great I know, but ultimately one needs to find happiness through congruent behavior. Just be yourself. Why be a sham psychologist when you can be that pre-op that you always have and always wanted to be? Time is wasting and life is short!

I find the person’s posting “voice” to reflect a feminine style or a hysterical effeminate masculine style. Very unique. So, maybe the whole transsexual thing has merit.

Personally, I think that psyque is a woman posing as a male for some power oriented reason.

LiquidA,

I like a variety of philosophies but am not a ridged practitioner of any. I used to be but then gave up following a certain philosophy because I think that that just creates anxiety, as one can find themselves worrying about the quality of one’s adherence to the philosophy. Mostly though, I’m an existentialist at heart, and as such I am going to maintain my honesty and realness as much as possible.

Frankly though, I just smell a rat, and that annoys me. You guys are interestingly glib about the whole thing, which is ok with me, but I guess I don’t like someone telling me my business in a half-assed manner. That’s ok with me though. If I have conflicts with the person I will just handle it accordingly.

Meanwhile, many of you guys seem like you have a sense of humor and I like that.

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Actually psyque said:

From here:
ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/vi … 36#1646521

Plus the rules under which a psychologist can legally practice vary by state here in the US. (Psyque does live in Canada, and I am unaware of the rules up there.) In Colorado, for instance the rules are very lax. A person here could practice psychological counseling with a undergraduate degree.

Well talking ABOUT people behind their back, as it were, is bad manners.
Although criticising a person’s DEEDS is fair game.

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xander:

AMEN.

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Theadlerian quote:

I am SO relieved. Check out Bessy is a Guy in creative writing. Now, I am not sure which one of us has the penis anymore, but at this point, who cares? A whip, a blindfold, and smile is all I need to turn me on. Life is great, isn’t it?

[size=75](psyque: call me baby. Bring the strap-on, just in case)[/size] :sunglasses: :wink:

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The person here, who is out of character, is TheAdlerian.
Such are the thoughts of this senile old man. Since I am slow, perhaps you all know this anyway.

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Ed3,

I am out of character too, but am presently involved in my mid-life crisis, so I have an excuse. :blush: (to the left are my hot flashes)

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It would be unfair to PM about the subject and not post it. If this is a community then I am just asking the members of it about another member openly. I am also putting myself on the spot. What more?

Anyway, if a person is 36 and a psychologist that has a BA, MA, and PhD that is cutting it pretty close. All school, then right into work, and doing it all. Amazing!

Anyway, I hope to spread more sunshine as time goes on.

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Hellooooooo… time to put the lock on the thread, Ben. We have offcially BEATEN IT TO A PULP.

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Adlerian,

I was tempted to let you continue with this quest to find out the “truth” about psyque, hoping to find someone to confirm your impression of me (a sincere thank you to anyone who wrote your thoughts in this thread) because a) those posts of yours don’t really warrant a dignified response; b) it’s damn funny; c) you yourself are conveying certain things about yourself (check out 1) and 2) and 4) below, especially); and d) who knows what next Tabula is going to come up with??? (ya kill me, sweet soul sistah!)

However, I’m going to be respectful and address your questions and concerns. Besides, I agree with your points about fakes/frauds, and I do not want anyone who may have read/considered my posts to have any fears that I am not who I say I am, which might call into question the validity/benefits of my posts (in theory they shouldn’t, but I’m not so arrogant to presume I understand how others will process things; they might infer that my silence was a sign of something other than what I wrote above). But, during this post I will point out a few important things about your posts, which I hope you’ll read and consider. After that, I don’t know if further discussion is fruitful, but I’m always open to the possibility. You want to question me about any type of psychological orientation or technique, feel free. I’ll share my expertise or say honestly that I am not so aware of something (e.g., existentialism—I know of it and understand the concept but that’s as far as I go; and in the top Canadian clinical psychology PhD programmes, we typically have to read more than in the US, from what I know, but the truth is that I never committed to memory much of our history—I have literally one office in my home full of boxes with all of this and other relevant information, which I sometimes comb through to use in one of my many courses). Anyway, in no particular order:

  1. To save me some time, please re-read all of our interactions—ESPECIALLY the one on hypocrisy and the one that points out some of the concerns I have with your posting.

  2. Check out some of my earlier interactions with someone you’ve interacted with: Satyr. If you are not he or his identical twin, you have a very similar writing style. It would be eerie except, as you, yourself, stated, people are not so complex—certain patterns are very common. Check those posts out; why do you think I’ve warned others not to let history repeat itself? Why do you think I am avoiding perpetuating such history (aside from this one post—I’ll make the sacrifice).

  3. I tried to make peace a couple of times b/c, as I acknowledged, I did respond to your initial posts “aggressively” (see 1) to appreciate why). Your subsequent posts suggest you don’t want such peace. I’ve told you that yes, I usually AM a “last worder,” but thanks to what I’ve read from several ILP members recently, I’m trying to reduce that urge. Thus, I’ve got no problem responding directly to you as I’ve been doing (where I take a page from KM’s book…), until this post.

  4. RE 1) and 2), you have a bad habit of doing exactly what you criticize others for doing. One of the most recent examples is your complaint that I state my credentials often (or something like that), along with your analysis of what that means. In your very first two posts/threads here in Psychology, you mentioned in your FIRST LINE that you have 16-years experience as a psychotherapist. There are so many more examples, and your “I just respond to the other person in kind” doesn’t really cut it; though it IS exactly what Satyr uses as his excuse for lies and distortions. Seriously, please follow my suggestions in 1) and 2) with an open mind. It’s all there in black and white.

  5. RE 1) and 2) and 4), you have a bad habit of distorting what I and others write. For instance, Noely G stated I was 30-something yet you read 30. Not good. My age is posted here several places (36).

  6. RE 1) and 2) and 4), you have a bad habit of inferring far too much about what I write, namely assuming that I am writing about you (e.g., the “in your face” line was referring to the Dr. Phil types, yet you assumed I was talking about YOU).

  7. RE 1) and 2) and 4), as I was with Satyr, I am completely honest and fess up to my foibles in my interactions with you. I’ve got no problem doing that; I believe it’s a sign of self-awareness and inner strength and lack of hypocrisy (though the foibles I admit to are nothing to be proud of…).

8 ) I have worked as a psychotherapist for over 8 years–I don’t want to give specific dates about my degrees and registration for my own anonymity (in other words, my length as a PSYCHOLOGIST is not 8 years). I don’t know about the US, but in Canada nowadays, ONLY someone with a PhD in clinical psychology who has gone through proper training (several internships/”mentoring”) and registration can become a PSYCHOLOGIST. Before, SOME MAs (“psychological associates”) were able to get registered, but they shut the door on that a number of years ago (too soon for me, but I wouldn’t have stopped before my PhD anyway). Anyway, for similar reasons, I don’t want to make it too easy for someone to come here and see all the specific courses I teach. However, the information IS available here. I’ve mentioned that I am a university lecturer as opposed to (tenure track) professor b/c I don’t have time for politics.

For the same reason, I work in several different places (all of which I stated in my first thread to you) part-time (it adds up to more than full-time and actually allows me the freedom I crave, plus it keeps me financially stable, since part of my work is pro bono or I charge ridiculously low fees for clients who can’t afford otherwise). I also sleep far less than most people (you have to when you work full time throughout your entire undergrad and graduate careers—I have a family to support as the single $$ earner and I did that my entire university career) and can work insane hours; one term I taught five courses at three universities in two cities, while maintaining my clinical practice. My colleagues thought I was crazy, but that’s me. Back to the anonymity, given some of the things I write, I do not want anyone to be able to conclusively connect my words to my true self. In my different capacities, I have to maintain a certain professional persona. Also, all I need is to be in court one day and some lawyer points to a post about ABC to show that I possess biased opinions about such a topic and thus my report is no longer valid (whether it’s regarding child protection services or insurance benefits or sentencing considerations or what have you).

Similarly, I’ve referred to clients in such a way that I change details so that it would be impossible to identify them; however, if a client KNEW FOR A FACT who I was, they could falsely claim to the College that something I wrote was about THEM. I don’t know about the US, but in Canada, the College seems to go out of its way to harass psychologists with unfounded complaints. Meanwhile, MDs can get away with murder (literally) dozens of times before something STARTS to get done—even then, only rarely does anything actually happen to the doctor (separate rant); the point is, I’m trying to protect myself b/c as long as there is no SOLID EVIDENCE who I am, no unfounded complaints can go anywhere. Besides, some of what I write would piss off my colleagues (you never know who might read ILP), so why do you think I don’t drop names? I’ve referred to colleagues elsewhere at ILP and never give away any identifying features for the same reason. It may seem “paranoid” but it’s just being cautious and prudent.

  1. I’ve written here before: I am about as “manly” as it comes in my appearance (okay, as a little boy I was mistaken as a girl b/c of my formerly long blonde hair and long eyelashes, and white complexion, not to mention that my mother put my hair in pig tails…hey, we were hippies…) and behaviours (if I want). But, I rant about and promote TRUE feminism in my classes all the time. My mother was a pretty famous feminist back in her days (still is, I guess). Being young, insecure, stupid, etc., I “rebelled” against feminism for many years (unless I could use it to my advantage). It wasn’t till I gained insight and TRUE self-confidence (not just bravado) that I became a REAL feminist (though, having gained true insight, I am also aware that I still have my share of neuroses and still act on them too often for my liking; but being aware of them DOES help me reduce my acting on them, thus I’m not going to get engaged in a silly war of words with you, given 1) and 2) and 4); if anything, as egotistical as it may seem, this post is also for anyone who might be masochistic enough to read it and who may have similar questions as you re. my background/credentials/philosophy, if I haven’t made those clear in my other posts…though I’m not so egotistic to think people would have read all of those posts…). Having two girls helped too. And, being a REAL feminist and knowing what feminism REALLY stands for (not the bastardized or hijacked versions we’ve come to see), I strive for COMPASSION for all “groups” (well, I TRY to have compassion, but I often have to settle for UNDERSTANDING). If that makes me appear feminine, I’m cool with that.

  2. RE 1) and 2) and 4), please don’t complain about 8 ) and 9), saying I’m patting myself on the back or whatever. You asked me some questions and I’m answering them honestly: cause and effect.

  3. RE 1) and 2) and 4), there are too many errors in your arguments or claims against me to address. But here are two simple ones I can respond to quickly/easily: 1) Of course psychodynamic and client-centred therapies are at direct odds with each other. The hearts of their philosophies are antithetical. However, I hold no blind allegiance to any one orientation (I was trained in 7, several of which are somewhat similar). I focus on the TECHNIQUES and underlying principles of human functioning and integrate them with each other and with what I have learned through my research, academia, and clinical and life experiences. It makes me a far more “complete” therapist (as well as lecturer). 2) Did you actually read what I wrote about “Mind Over Mood”? Read the sentences TOGETHER and then see why I could only laugh and roll my eyes when you complained about what I wrote about that.

  4. RE 1) and 2) and 4), I based what I wrote about “you” on what YOU wrote in YOUR POSTS (notwithstanding one error I made about your being jaded/cynical; I seem to recall that I immediately apologized for that when I realized it was MY error).

  5. Thank you for stating that I am unlike any colleague you’ve ever seen. I get that a lot. Until someone I work with (colleague, client, patient, student) says that in a NEGATIVE way, I’m going to keep doing what I’m doing. I know who/what I am and am pretty comfortable with that, warts/neuroses and all. What makes me very effective in my different positions is that I can say that last sentence HONESTLY. As much as you dislike Rogers, I believe his emphasis on being GENUINE and TRANSPARENT is very important as a psychologist and as a human being (with prudence/discretion in the latter case, of course).

  6. RE 1) and 2) and 4) (and 3) and 7)), I’m pretty sure I wrote somewhere about what “all psychologists know,” which is that we tend to dislike in others that what we see (or don’t want to see) in ourselves. Take a page from my book and simply admit it. You don’t have to admit it to ME. Pretend I am not saying this and try to reflect and see why I’ve suggested you follow my suggestions/points in 1) and 2) and 4). As much as you dislike Rogers, I believe his emphasis on being GENUINE and TRANSPARENT is very important as a psychologist and as a human being. See next point.

  7. I mean, my problem with your posts is that you essentially spit in the face of people who were opening up “publicly” about a concern they had. If someone wrote that she was raped while out at night b/c someone slipped a “roofie” in her drink when she left it on the table for 5 seconds, would you berate her for being so “careless”? You see what I’m getting at? Tie this in with another point above and you can see why I don’t have much respect for someone who can’t simply say “You know what? I messed up. I was being inconsiderate. Blah blah blah. Let’s move on.” That fact is, as I’m writing this I saw that you wrote something to vortical about helping a depressed person. I thought it was good advice (though I would have added something about not pushing the person b/c most really depressed people need time before they can actually DO something; or for some, if they do it, they feel coerced and this is just playing into their normal interpersonal dynamic (not for all people but for some (many?); I just had a similar discussion with one of my severely depressed groups yesterday. This is coming right from them.) Why do you think that, despite my interactions with you, I’ve told the people whose faces you’ve spit in not to entirely disregard what you write because you DO seem to know of what you speak (about certain things). See next point.

  8. What is your problem with ME? I think you wrote something about my being a “know it all.” Look up at 14) (and 3) and 7)). Try to understand WHY you have such a problem with that. WHY do YOU need to get the last word in? WHY do you get so upset that people aren’t saying “hang the psyque! Burn him! Throw him into a vat and see if he floats!” Stop making this all about ME and start looking at yourself (again, this isn’t something to do in public; it’s for YOU to do by yourself). BTW, none of this is intended as patronizing. I’m being sincere.

  9. I understand if you’re resistant and resentful toward this message, especially 14) – 16). I understand if you are thinking, “How dare this pompous know-it-all who knows very little (and worse yet, may be a FRAUD), whom I dislike because of what and how he writes, try to give me advice (even if it’s all true, sound, and/or reasonable)?”

18 ) Look at 17) and perhaps you can understand how others might now feel if you try to share your knowledge/experience, even if some/much of it is “right” or appropriate. It would probably go a long way if you re-read 15) and take the next logical step (I’m not even referring to anything you’ve written about me; I don’t really care what you think about me—I’ve been totally honest and open and if you don’t believe it, whatever. Based on what I’ve seen from others’ posts, I should have little concern that they have the same issues with me as you have (though I know there are those who share your animosity toward me…such is life…).

  1. Do what you want with this post. Chastise me for its length. Say I am trying too hard to defend myself. Ignore points 1) and 2) and 4) and 5) (please don’t). I have written elsewhere that, when someone takes the time to communicate with me (and I can see that I’m occupying a lot of your time/energy/thoughts—if you deny that, you’ll embarrass yourself), I show them enough respect to respond, till they demonstrate that such communication is fruitless. Then I let them know that I am disengaging from our interactions. The points raised in my response suggest that I SHOULDN’T respond, but I’ve given my reasons for doing so at the start already. Besides, you may be who you say you are, so I’m showing professional courtesy. I’m pretty much done after this, though, unless there’s some radical change in your posting style to me.

  2. I highly doubt Satyr is reading this, but if you are, I apologize for bringing you into this. I obviously threw out my jello tennis racket last week, but my suggestion in 1) and 2) help show why your name is being used here. It’s for no other reason, so please do not think I’ve come out of FULL retirement from THAT game…

  3. Once again, Adlerian, seriously, please follow my suggestions in 1) and 2) with an open mind. It’s all there in black and white.

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Exchange phone numbers, boys… it will help with the callouses.

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I think that you are insane.

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It is the story of two guys who were in a bar. One of them had long hair, and the other one was not annoyed by that. :laughing:

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I still think that you are insane.

Frankly, all of your posts sound like stories; you are having the exactly relevant experience the minute that you are posting. You are on break from court where you are holding family therapy with world famous psychologists that have asked you for help with their collective sons, that have all had the first transsexual abortions that they became depressed about, but were inspired to get help after listening to one of the several dozen lectures that you give on topics that you are expert on, then you apply an amalgam of psychotherapy techniques that although they are seemingly incongruent, you make work to achieve the most sensitive and humane conclusion.

You mention this kind of stuff in every post. Other than the fact that you are loony I think that you do not have a strong enough identity to post stuff as just a regular person. Meanwhile, I have made other posts on the site that have nothing to do with my job.

Did I mention that I think you’re insane?

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Is that your professional opinion?

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All bloody psychologists are insane. I have a number of them as friends.

A

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Adlerian,

Re-read my long response to you.

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It is so boring, much like all of your responses. It’s a twisted mess that I suffered through reading once already. Stop with the schoolmarm mentality already.

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“Some are born mad. Some remain so.”
Author: Samuel Beckett
Source: Waiting for Godot

“Much madness is divinest sense To a discerning eye; Much sense the starkest madness. 'Tis the majority In this, as all, prevails Assent, and you are sane; Demur,–you’re straightway dangerous, And handled with a chain.”
Author: Emily Dickinson
Source: Poems (XI (1891 ed.))

“There is a pleasure, sure, In being mad, which none but madmen know!”
Author: John Dryden
Source: Spanish Friar (act II, st. 1)

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Author: John Dryden
Source: Spanish Friar (act II, st. 1)

“The alleged power to charm down insanity, or ferocity in beasts, is a power behind the eye.”
Author: Ralph Waldo Emerson
Source: Essays–Conduct of Life–Of Behaviour

“He appears mad indeed but to a few, because the majority is infected with the same disease.” [Lat., Nimirum insanus paucis videatur, eo quod Maxima pars hominum morbo jactatur eodem.]
Author: Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus)
Source: Satires (II, 3, 120)

“Who then is sane? He who is not a fool.” [Lat., Quisnam igitur sanus? Qui non stultus.]
Author: Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus)
Source: Satires (II, 3, 158)

“Oh! thou who are greatly mad, deign to spare me who am less mad.” [Lat., O major tandem parcas, insane, minori.]
Author: Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus)
Source: Satires (II, 3, 326)

“I teach that all are men are mad.” [Lat., Doceo insanire omnes.]
Author: Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus)
Source: Satires (II, 3, 81)

“Go, madman! rush over the wildest Alps, that you may please children and be made the subject of declamation.” [Lat., I demens! et saevas curre per Alpes, Ut pueris placeas et declamatio fias.]
Author: Juvenal (Decimus Junius Juvenal)
Source: Satires (X, 166)

“O, hark! what mean those yells and cries? His chain some furious madman breaks; He comes–I see his glaring eyes: Now, now, my dungeon grate he shakes. Help! Help! He’s gone!–O fearful woe, Such screams to hear, such sights to see! My brain, my brain,–I know, I know I am not mad but soon shall be.”
Author: Matthew Gregory Lewis (“Monk Lewis”)
Source: The Maniac

“It is a common calamity; at some one time we have all been mad.” [Lat., Id commune malum; semel insanivimus omnes.]
Author: Baptista Mantuanus
Source: Eclogue (I)

“My dear Sir, take any road, you can’t go amiss. The whole state is one vast insane asylum.”
Author: James L. Petigru
Source: on being asked the way the Charleston, South Carolina, Insane Asylum

“They call me mad, while they are all mad themselves.” [Lat., Hei mihi, insanire me ajunt, ultro cum ipsi insaniunt.]
Author: Plautus (Titus Maccius Plautus)
Source: Menoechmi (V, 2, 90)

“What is more insane than to vent on senseless things the anger that is felt towards men?” [Lat., Quid est dementius quam bilem in homines collectam in res effundere.]
Author: Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
Source: De Ira (II, 26)

“There has never been any great genius without a spice of madness.” [Lat., Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.]
Author: Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
Source: De Tranquillitate Animi (XVII, 10)

“Though this be madness, yet there is method in’t.”
Author: William Shakespeare
Source: Hamlet Prince of Denmark (Polonius at II, ii)

“No excellent soul is exempt from a mixture of madness.”
Author: Aristotle
Source: None

“There is a thin line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.”
Author: Oscar Levant
Source: None

“Everyone is more or less mad on one point.”
Author: Rudyard Kipling
Source: None

“Better mad with the rest of the world than wise alone.”
Author: Baltasar Gracian
Source: None

“For me, insanity is super sanity. The normal is psychotic. Normal means lack of imagination, lack of creativity.”
Author: Jean Dubuffet
Source: None

“I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity.”
Author: Edgar Allan Poe
Source: None

“Whom God wishes to destroy, he first makes mad.”
Author: Proverb
Source: None

“In order to act, you must be somewhat insane. A reasonably sensible man is satisfied with thinking.”
Author: Georges Clemenceau
Source: None

“All of us are crazy in one way or another.”
Author: Yiddish Proverb
Source: None

Personally I am on the side of insanity… well in the classical, not the clinical sense.
Thank you worldofquotes.com.

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In a mad world only the mad are sane.

-Akira Kurosawa-

Doctor Ad-meister: Do yourself a favor. Put some insanity into your repetoire. It will lighten your load, soften your heart, and make you feel like dancing. Anyone for the sanitarium? I’ll bring the martinis and hors d’oerves. (km2_33 and I have ropes from our goody closet to restrain the staff.)

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You have to be crazy to go sane these days.

  • xanderman

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