Please can you tell me who were the philosophers who debated about eroticism in a way of knowledge of the human being and the world as well in a optimistic way of enlightenment and improvement of the human soul according to the laws of nature without any war against religion and morality as the libertines did?Is Max Scheler one of them? Who else?
… makes me think of Plato’s Symposium.
About Scheler… it’ s probable, but I do not really know his works.
Dion Fortune, Gareth Knight, any turn of the century occultist.
Check out Evola’s metaphysics of sex, and the yoga of power.
Hadn’t really heard of Evola. He looks interesting.
Wilhelm Reich comes to mind , although most do not consider him a philosopher.
Just about every Cynic and Stoic philosopher produced a Erotica, a philosophy centered around love as a refution and building up from Plato’s Republic, in which society is structured around a ruling class of philosophers bound together by a very perverted and naughty sort of wisdom that in modern times lead to some pretty serious criminal charges.
De.Sade Libertines are saddly a partial survival of this tradition (hence why it got chucked, as it doesnt do much once high mindedness leaves out the window and only perverts and twisted discontents claim rights to rule). The Nietzscheans follow very closely behind de Sade using a nearly identical philosophical framework.
Obviously, Christians, who are Cynic at root, focused more on Cosmopolitan-Cosmological Aspects of love and community, in particular communion and community oriented liturgies (a liturgy is a great endeavor, such as funding building a levee to hold back flood waters, utyand duty to office.
At one time, under the Cynics and Stoics, the two orders of thought were united. However, ghe current Anti-Christian Nietzschean Synthesis has ironically assured the two will not be united again for quite some time. Christians look up, Nietzscheans look down, and both miss the point that they share in common in history. They are advocating aspects of the same ancestral philosophical system, and neither side seems much aware.
Hence, I laugh and look up when a Nietzschean goes down, not because I am a contrarian, but must do so to at least preserve the balance of the tradition, and laugh at the juvenile sense of rebellion in ignorance on their part. They cant destroy something they already are a part of by emphasising only aspects of it.
That is the irony of these Sadists. You can find out more by reading books such as ‘The Stoic Concept of the City’… first half reads like De Sade and Nietzsche, second half like modern christianity, each a alter-ego character of the other… but each system carries aspects of each in it.
Zeno actually made erotic love a diety of urban living. Echoes Gilgamesh, and Ekindu.
When I speak of Anti-Ekindu philosophy, its a return of man to his uncivilized, more feral outlook minus women, juxtapositioned against the other half of the cycle, accepting of them and the system. Its a central aspect of my Cynic philosophy, and plays to older trends in the Cynic-Stoic tradition.
Love didnt begin to stabilize into mutual monogamy until the roman republic, with The Rape of Lucretia, and then later on with Arius Didymus, the chief philosopher under Emperor Augustus, who broke with the earlier Cynic-Stoic tradition of fuck everything that moves, to something capable of stabilizing roman lineages and parental attachment. Married women were discouraged from whoring, as well as mass orgies. This did nothing to stop Augustus’ successors Tiberius, Caligula, and Nero from raping and destroying the empire, but they tended to grasp veneral disease was communicable via sexual contact… Tiberius raped babies, but banned kissing at festivals due to the spread of herpes… which is something the Nietzscheans are all about, some purposely even seeking out to contract a STD.
Occasionally, one system gets the upper hand over the other for a while. People want to fuck without consequences, but those consequences can be quite costly. Its not a effect of monotheism either, as both the buddhists and hindus go through these cycles, and Ive even been finding evidence muslims have too… in the Novel ‘Leo Africanus’ he notes a harem of satanic fat, angry lesbian nobles in north africa… some evidence I come across supports this, bug its hard as hell to get muslim historians to talk to me on this subject for obvious reasons… alot in that novel panned out upon investigation.
So… have fun, and please dont be a tarded libertine trying to collapse civilization.